[Talk-GB] Tagging "Shared space" roads (Preston City Centre)

Matt Ellery matt.ellery at gmail.com
Mon Oct 2 21:39:56 UTC 2017


I agree with the idea that living_street isn't appropriate for the town
centre roads identified here. I did notice that New Road in Brighton
(mentioned in the shared space Wikipedia article) has also been changed to
living_street by Pete Owens, although he has added access tags as well.

East Street in Horsham is another (sort of) example of a shared space and
has been tagged with the pedestrian/access tags method by lakedistrict. In
fact, the OSM wiki example of highway=pedestrian with access tags gets
pretty close to what I think of as a shared space, although there are some
differences in the priorities that are implied.

So I'd be OK with any of highway=* plus access tags; shared_space=yes;
traffic_calming=shared_space; or maybe even go for duck tagging them as
highway=shared_space?

Regards,
Matt

On 2 October 2017 at 12:35, Adam Snape <adam.c.snape at gmail.com> wrote:

> The photo of Exhibition Rd on Wikipedia makes it look deserted. I guess it
> is sensible to photograph a new road layout at a quiet time.  I actually
> walked along it not so long ago when visiting a museum and it certainly
> seemed to still be used by quite a lot of motor traffic. Not that I think
> traffic volume should necessarily determine tagging, but examples such as
> this, the primary roads in Poynton, anda couple of thoroughfares in
> Preston, do rather weaken the comparison to Home Zones or woonerven. There
> traffic would typically be very light, very slow and almost entirely for
> access. The more I look at the above examples, the more I am convinced that
> the presence of shared use design doesn't make these thoroughfares
> comparable to living_streets
>
> Adam
>
> On 2 October 2017 at 08:56, Paul Berry <pmberry2007 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> One of the most significant shared space street schemes in the country
>> (at least, the one that got the most publicity) is Exhibition Road. Here's
>> part of it: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34401602 and it's mapped as
>> living street even though it is not residential.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhibition_Road
>>
>> Should it be changed also?
>>
>> Regards,
>> *Paul*
>>
>> On 1 October 2017 at 23:17, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>>
>>> And here's a road that wants to be a shared space but isn't there yet...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.facebook.com/NHnieuws/videos/1627424217288914/
>>>
>>> The goal of reducing the traffic speed has been achieved, apparently.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2017-10-01 20:16, Richard Mann wrote:
>>>
>>> The classic shared space scheme in Haren:
>>>
>>> http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/53.17312/6.60310
>>>
>>> has no tags that I can see.
>>>
>>> I'd go for something like shared_space=yes for the moment. It's a
>>> "special" type of traffic calming.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Oct 1, 2017 at 6:14 PM, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just like in the UK, the councils here make it up as they go along; a
>>>> "shared space" has no special legal status, unlike a "woonerf".
>>>>
>>>> A general principle which has proved its worth is that to make things
>>>> safer, you remove the safety features. Like white lines and kerbs. Everyone
>>>> moans a bit, but in the mean time you slow down and watch out just that
>>>> little bit more... Hence shared spaces, an apparent free-for-all that works
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-10-01 18:57, Andy Townsend wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not an answer, but a suggestion where there might be a bit more info...
>>>>
>>>> The Netherlands forum https://forum.openstreetmap.or
>>>> g/viewforum.php?id=12 might be worth a read, since the shared space
>>>> concept was pioneered there; https://forum.openstreetmap.or
>>>> g/viewtopic.php?id=54843 is directly about "shared_space" but a search
>>>> for "woonerf" (aka "home zone") gets a whole bunch more hits.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
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