[Talk-GB] 'historic' county boundaries added to the database
davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com
Sun Aug 26 22:49:32 UTC 2018
To repeat, They do exist, but only as a record of old data, not current.
just as there's a record of Humberside & Avon. That they don't get
altered is irrelevant.
I disagree about their legality.
On 26/08/2018 23:01, Adam Snape wrote:
> Both Colin and Dave have repeated the implication that the traditional
> counties don't exist. It's very much arguable I guess, certainly
> successive governments have made clear that they recognised the
> continued existence of the traditional counties, and that
> administrative changes neither legally abolished nor altered these
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2018, 22:01 Colin Smale, <colin.smale at xs4all.nl
> <mailto:colin.smale at xs4all.nl>> wrote:
> Except that the "ceremonial counties" actually do exist, and serve
> a function. They are formally called "Lieutenancy Areas" and
> represent the jurisdiction of the Lord Lieutenant as direct
> representative of the monarchy. Their boundaries are maintained by
> a different legal process to the admin areas, and on occasions can
> diverge for a limited period until they catch up with changes to
> admin boundaries. And then there is the Stockton-on-Tees
> anomaly...the borough is divided between the ceremonial counties
> of Durham and North Yorkshire.
> Thanks Colin,
> Yes, I was aware of how the ceremonial counties are defined. I think
> if we're truly honest with ourselves we don't really map them because
> lord lieutenancies (as wonderfully arcane and obscure as they are) are
> of any real importance, but because they provide a vaguely sensible
> and recognisable set of geographic areas that we can call counties.
> Certainly if administrative importance were genuinely to be our
> criteria for mapping we would be mapping all kinds of things prior to
> lord lieutenancies.
> In practical terms lords lieutenant are historic, honorary crown
> appointments and little more. If we actually believed this was
> justification for mapping we could use the same arguments for mapping
> the areas over which the royal duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall
> perform various honorary and historic functions (such as appointing
> the ever-so-important-in-the-present-day lords lieutenant) and
> exercise special rights. Incidentally their legally-defined and extant
> boundaries are the historic/traditional boundaries of the counties of
> Lancashire and Cornwall :)
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