[Talk-GB] Road refs

[Adam Snape]

Hi Tony,

Please do read the conversation, but I think it's important to stress that
no one is changing the standard  tagging here. It has never been standard
to map unsigned references for tertiary/unclassified roads under the ref
tag; indeed there has long been a consensus against doing so.

The UK tagging guidelines have always advised against using the ref tag:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines
although you'll notice from that there's still no overall agreement on
exactly which other tag to use for unsigned references. I do believe this
should have been discussed before the mechanical edit.

As a reminder, if you are adding unsigned references you do need to make
sure that you're using an acceptable source which doesn't infringe council
copyright. ie. a source that is released under a public licence such as the
Open Government Licence or one which we have explicit permission to include
in OSM and release under the ODBL.

Kind regards

Adam



On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, 19:16 Toby Speight, <T.M.Speight.90 at cantab.net> wrote:

> Recently, all the tertiary roads in my region had their ref tags
> removed, and replaced with "highways_authority_ref".  A week later the
> unclassified and residential roads suffered similar attack.
>
> * Who is supposed to benefit from hiding these data?
> * Who is responsible for documenting what this tag means, and when it
>   should be used in place of the standard tagging?  So far, there's no
>   mention of it on its own tag wiki, nor on key:ref
> * Who is responsible for coordinating the related changes to software -
>   editors, renderers, converters and QA tools - that are required?  I
>   see no sign of any of this having started.
>
> In short, what's going on, what's wrong with the standard tagging, and
> how can we get the data back where they belong?
>
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On 27 Aug 2018 19:16, "Toby Speight" <T.M.Speight.90 at cantab.net> wrote:

Recently, all the tertiary roads in my region had their ref tags
removed, and replaced with "highways_authority_ref".  A week later the
unclassified and residential roads suffered similar attack.

* Who is supposed to benefit from hiding these data?
* Who is responsible for documenting what this tag means, and when it
  should be used in place of the standard tagging?  So far, there's no
  mention of it on its own tag wiki, nor on key:ref
* Who is responsible for coordinating the related changes to software -
  editors, renderers, converters and QA tools - that are required?  I
  see no sign of any of this having started.

In short, what's going on, what's wrong with the standard tagging, and
how can we get the data back where they belong?

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