[Talk-GB] Road refs

Dan S danstowell+osm at gmail.com
Tue Aug 28 12:07:25 UTC 2018


Hi,

The effort has not been undone - the data is still there in OSM, and
certainly usable. The issue is how to come to a community consensus
(across UK-based OSM community) in how to tag those refs, so let's try
to join the discussions all together. The previous discussion seems to
me level-headed, and it'd be useful to hear your arguments added to
it.

It's tricky with OSM because no-one really has ownership over any
particular aspect of tagging schema, even if they develop software
and/or perform mapping which relies heavily on certain data layouts.
It's a living beast. I guess data consumers would often have a
tweakable mapping from OSM into their own use-case.

Best
Dan


Op di 28 aug. 2018 om 12:55 schreef WebMaster at Killyfole.org.uk
<webmaster at killyfole.org.uk>:
>
> Dave,
>
> The objection is that you are undoing the effort and time spent by mappers in
> these areas for your own agenda.  Mappers, like myself, have added these tags
> for a reason at considerable time and effort and that had basically been
> trashed in a matter of seconds.  Not only that, you are being extremely
> arrogant towards contributors who do not want your edits, even considering
> banning users for an editing war.
>
> KDDA
>
> On Tuesday, 28 August 2018 12:39:33 IST Dave F wrote:
> > Hi Toby
> >
> > You've been given the link to the previous discussions, which explains
> > the reasons.
> >
> > What is your objection to the reasons given for this amendment?
> >
> > The wiki is a guide, not the law. It hasn't been updated yet as you &
> > others still wish to discuss the situation. If it had, I suspect there
> > would have been complaints that it was amended before being discussed
> > (even though it has).
> >
> > It's the responsibility of the creators of the software to ensure they
> > keep up to date with the ever changing database.
> >
> > Cheers
> > DaveF
> >
> > On 27/08/2018 19:15, Toby Speight wrote:
> > > Recently, all the tertiary roads in my region had their ref tags
> > > removed, and replaced with "highways_authority_ref".  A week later the
> > > unclassified and residential roads suffered similar attack.
> > >
> > > * Who is supposed to benefit from hiding these data?
> > > * Who is responsible for documenting what this tag means, and when it
> > >
> > >    should be used in place of the standard tagging?  So far, there's no
> > >    mention of it on its own tag wiki, nor on key:ref
> > >
> > > * Who is responsible for coordinating the related changes to software -
> > >
> > >    editors, renderers, converters and QA tools - that are required?  I
> > >    see no sign of any of this having started.
> > >
> > > In short, what's going on, what's wrong with the standard tagging, and
> > > how can we get the data back where they belong?
> > >
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