[Talk-GB] Brewshop Tagging

SK53 sk53.osm at gmail.com
Sun Jul 29 18:07:12 UTC 2018


Because licensing laws are weird! Also because we use it for vintners,
specialist cider producers and posh whisky shops.

When I first mapped shops in detail back in 2013 I was following a list of
licensed premises, which included, not only the usual suspects, but two
florists.

I don't know if anyone has tried to capture any of the nuances of these
(and other oddities, years ago my local was licensed for backgammon). The
key distinction here is that these brewshops have an on licence, so can't
possibly be offies.

Jerry




On 29 July 2018 at 17:54, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:

> Always knew them as Real Ale Off Licence, I remember one in Leicester and
> another in Loughborough back in the day.
>
> Why not shop=alcohol (I would prefer shop=off_licence, shop=alcohol is
> more for shops in puritan countries such as Canada where they are goverment
> run and sell nothing else), real_ale=yes and maybe real_mild if they stock
> it :D
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
> On 29/07/2018 17:05, Andy Townsend wrote:
>
> On 29/07/18 14:33, SK53 wrote:
>
> This is how I mapped the one I surveyed last year in West Norwood
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5139756811.
>
> Avoid shop=beverage, these are shop=alcohol.
>
>
> That's what I went with for https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4336173634
> - that one is mostly bottle sales, but some on draught (and the last time I
> was there the owner was trying to figure out how to get more people in to
> drink the draught stuff).
>
> Not so far away is https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/253040122 which I
> went with amenity=pub for because it's more about draught sales now than
> bottles.
>
> We also have the tag pub=micropub and/or micropub=yes, so pub=brewshop and
> brewshop=yes would fit with that scheme. (As an aside more than half (19/33
> - or 34 w/w if you include one in LA) of these micropubs have been mapped
> in the East Midlands which suggests that many more have not been mapped
> explicitly, such as the Chesterfield Alehouse
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/267431341>).
>
>
> On 29 July 2018 at 12:49, Stephen Knox <stephenknox73 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I can think of at least 5 of these establishments around me, and while
>> this might be just a SE thing, I think it is likely to become prevalent
>> across the country as traditional retailers and pubs struggle, as it is a
>> more flexible business model and taps into the "experience" trend.
>>
>
> It's definitely not just a SE England thing.  As Jerry has said, there are
> lots in the East Mids, but for example there are relatively few in York (
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4826706222 being about the only
> example that immediately springs to mind).  "what makes a micropub" is I
> guess a combination of things - partly it's a question of self-branding
> ("this place is more worth visiting than that former John Smiths/Home
> Ales/Shippos place down the road"), partly size, partly restricted opening
> hours and partly the toilets are usually more restricted.  I can certainly
> think of some "shop conversion" micropubs that are bigger than some
> "proper" pubs.
>
> If anyone's interested in an explicit "micropub" rendering I'll happily
> add one to map.atownsend.org.uk so that it appears alongside the other
> pub types at https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=18&lat=
> -24.986416&lon=135.173906 .
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
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