[Talk-GB] Edits in Wales

[Adam Snape]

Hi,

I think Ben's suggestion is sensible where there is a consistent and clear
preference.

As name:en is for the standard English name, I suggest avoiding using that
tag for English names where the Welsh name is now also the more common one
used in English. That said, I think avriant names are always worth adding.
I would suggest using alt_name (if a name is still used by some) or
old_name (if it is now out of usage).

Regards,

Adam





On 23 March 2018 at 16:04, Ben Proctor <ben at satorilab.org> wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I was lurking on this list when the original discussion started and it was
> in my head when someone approached me about running a mapping project in
> Wales. We've been using a little Welsh Government funding to support a
> Welsh Language render of osm (currently just covering Wales)
> https://openstreetmap.cymru . We've also been raising the profile of osm
> in Wales, particularly in Welsh speaking communities. We hope to continue
> this work over the coming months and grow a stronger osm community in
> Wales. Here are the blogs about the project in English
> http://cardiff.theodi.org/tag/mapiocymru/ and in Welsh
> http://cardiff.theodi.org/cy/tag/mapiocymru/
>
> We've been discussing the issue of multi-language tagging as part of this
> project and we would like to propose an update to the Welsh language
> section of the Wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.
> org/wiki/Multilingual_names#Wales
>
> I'd appreciate any comment and thoughts.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ben
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Wales is a bilingual country and many place names have both English and
> Welsh versions. When communicating in English some places are known by
> their Welsh name and some by their English name. When communicating in
> Welsh all places are know by their Welsh name. Bilingual names (English and
> Welsh versions) are not used in Wales. *
>
> *In general the name tag should contain the name generally used when
> communicating in English. In some cases this will be the Welsh name. If in
> doubt look for local usage / signage.*
>
>
>
> *Where possible please add a name:cy which is the name in Welsh for the
> place. Please add this tag even if the name tag uses the name in Welsh.It
> may also be helpful to add a name:en, especially if the name tag uses the
> name in Welsh.*
>
> *Examples:*
> *name - Swansea*
> *name:cy - Abertawe*
>
> *name - Caernarfon*
> *name:cy - Caernarfon*
>
> *name - Heol Eglyws*
> *name:cy - Heol Eglyws*
> *name:en - Church Road*
>
>
>
> On 16 August 2017 at 14:10, Adam Snape <adam.c.snape at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The 'best mapping method' is somewhat subjective. If it were the sole
>> criteria, then we would instantly create documentation to replace lots of
>> the less than ideal tags which have developed and explicitly depreciate
>> either the classic (highway=footway/bridleway/cycleway) or 'alternative'
>> (highway= path, access=*) tagging schemes. We don't because there is no
>> consensus and existing use counts for a lot.
>>
>> If there is genuine consensus upon a better way then perhaps this should
>> be documented. In the absence of such consensus, documenting how we
>> actually currently map is preferable (because it is already prevalent and
>> verifiable) to not documentating or documenting one school of thought on
>> how we ought to map (but don't yet).
>>
>> Adam
>>
>> On 16 August 2017 at 11:20, Dave F <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 16/08/2017 00:22, Warin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16-Aug-17 05:27 AM, Philip Barnes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   The wiki is after all intended to document how people map not
>>>>> dictate how they should map.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I would think that the wiki should guide to the best mapping method,
>>>> not what people have done in the past (as found using taginfo for example!).
>>>>
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> DaveF
>>>
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