[Talk-GB] OSM Wiki UK pages

Jez Nicholson jez.nicholson at gmail.com
Wed Apr 10 16:52:51 UTC 2019

Possibly. People don't use category pages that often, but when they do it
is for a high-level overview or they are hunting for something. Better to
have fewer categories with more things in each than a deep, sparse tree.

So, Events in the United Kingdom is probably a useful category as there are
lots of them. Events in UK/Events in Brighton goes too far. Quarterly
Projects in the United Kingdom could hide away things like one was about
Post Offices.

It is very subjective. Perhaps we could formulate opinions ready to make a
plan at the AGM? I know that Harry did/does a lot of work on this.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:16 SK53, <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> A few points about the UK category with a view to making it slightly more
> usable, particularly for someone not familiar with the project.
>    1. I think any page of the form XXX/YYY should not be in the top UK
>    category: I doubt if many people are interested in Birmingham Trees or the
>    Broadmarsh bus station redevelopment outside the local areas. Perhaps a
>    local projects category to dump them in for now.
>    2. I think all the individual quarterly project pages don't need to
>    appear in the UK category either.
>    3. All Open Data sources (OS, Lidar, Natural England etc) should be in
>    their own sub-category
>    4. OSM UK logos should be just in the OSM UK category
>    5. There's no good link to pages about areas: the cities page is very
>    sparse. Perhaps a category for pages based on local authorities or similar
>    (i.e., there are a few which cover a traditional county where the county
>    town is a separate unitary authority). At present the English Counties is
>    quite a good landing page for this, but obviously doesn't cover the whole
>    UK.
> Jerry
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2019 at 15:05, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> For my sins, and for being in OSMUK, I volunteered to review the UK pages
>> on OSMWiki.
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_Kingdom Here are
>> my conclusions:
>> 1. It being a wiki, it takes care to not tread on other peoples' toes.. I
>> may have mildly perturbed a few people but I don't think (I hope) I caused
>> any deep resentment...I feel that UK specific pages 'belong' to us (you,
>> me, every UK mapper) and can more confidently edit them (still hesitantly)
>> than global pages.
>> 2. There were many uncategorised and orphan pages. These are now all in
>> the https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:United_Kingdom category
>> page. This should answer the question, "what pages are managed by the UK
>> OSMers?".
>> 3. The category structures are often too deep and sub-divided to be
>> useful.
>> 4. There are many pages, probably too many.
>> 5. Many pages were created in the early days of OSM and now state
>> out-of-date information. This gives a bad impression to new users. Many
>> pages are simple enough to convert into past tense, or update after
>> researching. It's a living, breathing document and not a history book.
>> 6. Creating a new page to share and document your personal projects can
>> be useful, e.g. I published my work in the open as
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_the_United_Kingdom and
>> got valuable input.
>> 7. There is no clear naming scheme for pages. I've used "xyz in the
>> United Kingdom" so that they show in alphabetical order but other schemes
>> are available. If pages include a '/' then this splits them into a rigid
>> single hierarchy...but what should that hierarchy be?
>> 8. ...and finally... it is easy to complain about the OSM Wiki, but it is
>> ours to edit and improve. Any failings in the UK pages, at least, are ours.
>> I urge you to find a subject local to you and update it, cities are a good
>> place to start. Tread lightly to begin with and build up. Use the Talk tabs.
>> Regards,
>>              Jez
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