[Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

[Jez Nicholson]

Just for the record: NI has the unusual distinction in OSM of coming under
the UK and for practical reasons also being discussed under IE.

- Jez

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019, 21:25 Colin Smale, <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:

> Thanks Jerry, I had forgotten that NI comes under Ireland ;-)
>
> I will have a browse through the talk-ie archives and see if I can pick it
> up there.
>
> Colin
>
>
>
> On 2019-08-20 22:15, SK53 wrote:
>
> This query would actually be better directed at talk-ie as the Irish OSM
> local chapter have been having discussions with OSNI (and OSI).
>
> However, I think it's safe to say that the relevant licence is not (yet)
> compatible with OSM: I did briefly discuss this point with one of the Open
> Data NI people who organised OpenData Camp #5 in Belfast, and she was
> certainly of the view that OSNI data (or any LPS data) was not very open.
> Many of these datasets would be very useful, for instance there is a point
> data set of streetnames (e.g., when the name of this bit
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392283077> of street was being
> questioned, or just to do streetnames which are perhaps 10% completed).
>
> It is for this reason why there are no local authority boundaries in NI.
> However, at some point I used FHRS data to produce concave hulls which
> would be a first approximation (and no worse than things like the Limerick
> boundary 3-4 years ago). Also KDDA has some open data for the old Fermanagh
> district  (on umap here
> <https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fermanagh-road-signs_290510#9/54.3614/-7.5142>)
> which may assist in working out the boundaries (as will townland and other
> boundaries). But do check with talk-ie before leaping in.
>
> At one point maps.openstreetmap.ie had a number of overlay layers sourced
> from the OSI/OSNI data, but I think these never got restored after the
> server move. I used OSNI townland boundaries to compare with OSM ones back
> in 2015.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:42, Colin Smale <colin.smale at xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
>> Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI
>> make available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same way
>> as the OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin boundaries,
>> e.g.
>> http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d1816ffde6c72_2
>>
>> The website says: "Open Government Data Licence applies.    Land &
>> Property Services (LPS) has made a number of Ordnance Survey of Northern
>> Ireland® (OSNI®) branded datasets available free of charge under the terms
>> of the current Open Government Licence (OGL). These datasets – which
>> include raster and vector mapping, boundary, gazetteer, height, street and
>> townland products – are available for download.  Each dataset is clearly
>> marked with the OGL symbol. The OGL allows you to: copy, distribute and
>> transmit the data; adapt the data; and exploit the data commercially,
>> whether by sub-licensing it, combining it with other data, or including it
>> in your own product or application. You are therefore able to use the LPS
>> datasets in any way and for any purpose. We simply ask that you acknowledge
>> the copyright and the source of the data by including the following
>> attribution statement: Contains LPS Intellectual Property © Crown copyright
>> and database right (year)  This information is licensed under the terms of
>> the Open Government Licence (
>> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3).
>> You must also: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any
>> sub-licences of the data that you grant, and a requirement that any further
>> sub-licences do the same; ensure that you do not use the data in a way that
>> suggests LPS endorses you or your use of the data; and make sure you do not
>> misrepresent the data or its source. N.B. Any dataset that does not
>> expressly state that it has been released under OGL will require a licence
>> from LPS and the appropriate licence fee will be applied."
>>
>>
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