[Talk-GB] Tagging post towns and other addressing issues in the UK

Will Phillips wp4587 at gmail.com
Mon Jan 28 23:44:58 UTC 2019


Hi Paul,

> Once you get out into rural areas, it's sometimes the case that an 
> entire hamlet is covered by a one or two postcodes. There may be named 
> streets but according to RM/PAF these are ignored and such addresses 
> take the form: building name/number, locality, post town, postcode. 
> The more natural fit, following the structure prompted in the iD 
> editor, for example, would be building name/number, street, locality*, 
> postcode.
I've encountered this situation where RM addresses for a village don't 
include the street names, even though the streets have signed names.  My 
view is do include the street names. I've no idea why they are left out, 
because finding addresses in a village where the houses have names 
rather than numbers can be difficult, even when the street is known.

I wouldn't worry about the validator as long as you are reasonably sure 
the data you have added is accurate. These validation tools are very 
useful, but they are only intended to suggest things that might be 
wrong.  Mappers sometimes fall into the trap of tagging for the validator.

> Even in villages with established streets and house numbers, there 
> will be outlying properties where the street names will be foregone: 
> S36 7GG is an example of this.
For outlying properties, I don't think there is any harm in including 
addr:street, regardless of official practice, assuming there is a 
logical street to use. Sometimes remote properties are grouped by a 
sub-locality name, in which case I would use addr:place.

> Additionally, it's not clear whether name or addr:housename (or both) 
> should be used when mapping anything from a a detached house to a 
> building split into multiple addressable units (eg terraces, flats).
I would recommend not duplicating addr:housename and name. Generally 
it's best to avoid putting the same information in more than one address 
tag. For most addresses addr:housename is the best choice and name can 
then be used for things like business names.

Cheers,
Will


On 28/01/2019 22:45, Paul Berry wrote:
> Sorry, I only have yet more questions.
>
> Once you get out into rural areas, it's sometimes the case that an 
> entire hamlet is covered by a one or two postcodes. There may be named 
> streets but according to RM/PAF these are ignored and such addresses 
> take the form: building name/number, locality, post town, postcode. 
> The more natural fit, following the structure prompted in the iD 
> editor, for example, would be building name/number, street, locality*, 
> postcode.
>
> *The locality suggested depends on how the area you're working in has 
> been mapped. Obviously when mapping you are free to override this.
>
> HD8 8XU & HD8 8XY are a case in point. Do we map to fit the validator 
> — in this case, https://osm.mathmos.net/addresses/pc-stats/HD/HD8/8 
> which they have fallen foul of — or something else?
>
> Even in villages with established streets and house numbers, there 
> will be outlying properties where the street names will be foregone: 
> S36 7GG is an example of this.
>
> Additionally, it's not clear whether name or addr:housename (or both) 
> should be used when mapping anything from a a detached house to a 
> building split into multiple addressable units (eg terraces, flats).
>
> Regards,
> /Paul/
>
> On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 22:05, Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net 
> <mailto:richard at systemed.net>> wrote:
>
>     I'm not quite sure what you've done with the quoting but you've
>     attributed me
>     as writing your reply, which evidently I didn't. :)
>
>     Will Phillips wrote:
>     > I really don't see what is outlandish about using post towns as a
>     > guide for what goes in the addr:city tag. Royal Mail might be
>     becoming
>     > less important, but when most people are asked for their
>     address, they
>     > will give their address as defined by Royal Mail.
>     >
>     > Looking at the Companies House Registered Companies data for
>     > Charlbury, I find 235 addresses of which 170 include Chipping
>     Norton.
>     > I find Registered Companies data useful because the addresses
>     appear
>     > unvalidated and therefore show addresses as people actually
>     enter them.
>
>     No-one in Charlbury describes themselves as living in Chipping Norton.
>     Honestly, no-one. It's a separate town.
>
>     Companies House data for my company shows a registered address of
>     11 Market
>     Street, Charlbury, Chipping Norton. That is not because I think I
>     live in
>     Chipping Norton. That is because, when you register a company, the
>     Companies
>     House autocomplete thing takes your postcode and fills in the
>     Royal Mail
>     post-town and other details from PAF.
>
>     (TBH, I'm not entirely convinced post towns help Royal Mail in any
>     case,
>     given the amount of mail mistakenly delivered to us that is
>     actually meant
>     for Mr G------- at 11 Market Street, Chipping Norton...)
>
>     Richard
>
>
>
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