[Talk-GB] Fixing shop=yes, now it no longer renders on the default OSM map

[Jez Nicholson]

Thanks Silent Spike. Keep up the good work.

Of course, the very process of people tagging a shop type with the value
that they think is correct, unprompted by the NSI, is/was the process of
gaining consensus. I fear slightly that in our desire to use the 'right'
value we lose that input....Not that i'm seeing loads of contentious values
coming through from the NSI. I might just be being academic about it.
That's why i'm keen that people add to the UK wiki page with shopfront
photos and details, and question it on Talk-GB so that any additions to the
NSI are well-informed.

On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 12:40 PM Silent Spike <silentspike100 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 2:21 PM Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know (yet) how iD generates its list of shop types. This may be
>> hard-coded and/or pre-generated from the NSI.
>>
>
> I can shed some light on this. The "type" field (drop down list) on the
> generic "shop" preset is generated from taginfo. However, there are also
> specific shop presets (e.g. "Hardware Store") which are manually added in
> iD's data files. Then even more specifically there are the brand specific
> presets which are generated from the name suggestion index.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 2:31 PM Stuart Reynolds <
> stuart at travelinesoutheast.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> And this is the problem. One of the shop=yes entries in Southend on sea
>> is The Range. I wasn’t sure how to tag it (I was using iD for speed, and
>> it’s list of defined shop tags is fairly minimal) so I tried an overpass
>> query on Name=The Range.
>>
>> I have found, variously (aside from those without a shop tag at all)
>> “houseware”, “household”, “doityourself”, “department_store”.
>>
>
> This is a common issue I run into when adding UK brands to the name
> suggestion index, but it also highlights the power of having a
> `brand:wikidata` tag. If all locations are identified by brand, then in
> future if there is a tagging development or consensus change for that
> brand, all of the locations can be easily converted because they're
> explicitly marked. Along those lines, if there is ever discussion which
> establishes some UK brand tagging consensus on the mailing list here I will
> more than likely see it and adopt it into the index.
>
> On Mon, Sep 2, 2019 at 1:43 PM Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
> robert.whittaker+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Any mappers with a few minutes to spare might like to have a look at
>> their local area, and see if there are any shop=yes objects they could
>> re-tag with a more specific value. Some resources to help:
>
>
> Perhaps a https://maproulette.org challenge would be a good way to track
> the progress of this?
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