[Talk-GB] High quality NLS imagery of buildings and HOUSENUMBERS (!) available in London (and Scotland). Create a tasking manger to add this?

Tue Dec 1 09:49:05 UTC 2020

Hi Tom,

IpswichMapper forwarded me this note, apparently received from NLS via an enquiry made by Rob-from-OSMF:

> “I wish I could give you better news on the 1940s OS maps of south-east England. 
> Unfortunately, you’re right, they were scanned by a third-party commercial company 
> who have placed commercial re-use restrictions on this layer – there are further 
> details under our Copyright Exceptions list at 
> https://maps.nls.uk/copyright.html#exceptions. These restrictions will last for 
> another couple of years – until the end of 2022 – which I know might seem a long 
> way off, but hopefully will pass quickly. Then we’ll be happily able to share 
> them with the OSM community, along with the rest of England and Wales 
> National Grid 1940s-1960s mapping, that will be of interest too.”

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https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020, at 9:41 AM, Tom Hughes wrote:
> If we assume that a new copyright is created by the scanning (which is
> a complicated question) then there is no way it expires next year.
> 
> What exactly do you think the term is for this copyright and when do
> you think it starts from?
> 
> I don't think it's relevant anyway as I thought NLS had given us
> permission to use their scans?
> 
> Tom
> 
> On 01/12/2020 09:32, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
> > SO,
> > 
> > It turns out - we cannot use these images until the scanner's copyright expires at the end of next year.  Happily, it seems like there will be GB-wide coverage available at that point, not just the London-Southend-Brighton area.
> > 
> > However, I have been happily using these images for a bit less than a year now, so I'm looking for advice on How to redact. I've tagged all the relevant changesets with the name of the TMS, so it should be possible.
> > 
> > 1.  Is there an overpass syntax that would let me download (to JOSM) - all ways with addr:housenumber added or changed via a changeset with a certain source tag?  (and not updated by something else later)
> > 2. Could I then wipe all such addr:housenumbers and re-upload?
> > 3. Could I keep a JOSM session file around to reupload the addr:housenumbers once the scanner's copyright has elapsed?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > This has come to light thanks to IpswitchMapper's tireless efforts to set up a tasking manager for adding housenumber, and thank to Rob-from-OSMF's communications with NLS.
> > 
> > ---
> > https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
> > spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk
> > 
> > On Mon, 16 Nov 2020, at 10:55 AM, Ken Kilfedder wrote:
> >> Hi Mark,
> >>
> >> If there is absolute confidence in that, can it be added to the wiki page here:
> >> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Library_of_Scotland
> >>
> >> And can it be added to the default set of old maps in JOSM?
> >>
> >> If it is available for use, not point in keeping it a secret.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
> >> spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk
> >>
> >> On Fri, 30 Oct 2020, at 6:47 PM, Mark Goodge wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 30/10/2020 18:37, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Oct 30, 2020, 16:28 by talk-gb at openstreetmap.org:
> >>>>
> >>>>      It has come to my attention that the "Town Plan" map from 1944-1967
> >>>>      in NLS is available freely.
> >>>>
> >>>> What are its licensing terms?
> >>>>
> >>>> "available freely" does not mean "compatible with OSM license"
> >>>
> >>> It's out of copyright, so there aren't any licensing issues in deriving
> >>> data from it.
> >>>
> >>> I would, though, be a little reluctant to use it as a basis for
> >>> wholesale numbering without any supporting local knowledge or survey.
> >>> House numbers can, and sometimes do, change, particularly when streets
> >>> are renamed or rebuilt. So you can't be 100% certain that a house number
> >>> in the 1950s is the same number it is now, even if the building is still
> >>> the same.
> >>>
> >>> Mark
> >>>
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