[Talk-GB] map styles on osm.org; other sites (was: Re: driveway-becomes-track)

Edward Bainton bainton.ete at gmail.com
Sun Dec 13 21:48:33 UTC 2020

I keep hearing snagging issues that *might* be resolved by a more federal
OSM, in the map presentation as well as in the organisational structure.

Is that something that's ever been considered?

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 at 13:40, Nick <nick at foresters.org> wrote:

> Totally agree that openstreetmap.org isn't supposed to be a "general
> public" map destination but without knowing user journeys, I assume that is
> where most people land.
> Options could be that openstreetmap.org provide alternative links based
> on locality and/or develop robust (N.B. tiles from opencyclemap.org seems
> to have security issue) local solutions that are found by search engines
> (i.e. good search engine optimisation)
> On 13/12/2020 12:12, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 13/12/2020 11:16, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB wrote:
> Note that someone who wants to show their map style at OSM website can
> be included, though they must sponsor hosting
> See
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Featured_tile_layers/Guidelines_for_new_tile_layers
> As far as I know, the main blocker seems to be
> "Capable of meeting traffic demands. The proposed tile layer server/server
> farm
> must be capable of accepting the traffic volume from the OpenStreetMap
> website."
> ÖPNVKarte is map style that joined recently.
> Dec 13, 2020, 12:08 by nick at foresters.org:
> Seems to me that apart from the tagging, the issue highlighted here is
> with how the general public can easily use OSM? Going to the OSM map, the
> layers on offer are Standard, Cycle Map (which does show the driveway
> connected) etc. but if a user wants a more specific use this is not easy to
> find. To my mind this is where more options from the worldwide map fail to
> deliver and is a bigger issue that can be resolved by understanding the
> 'customer' journey better?
> The main blocker for a map that shows public footpaths etc. would actually
> be the "Global scope and coverage" requirement on that page, since public
> footpaths only exist in England and Wales.
> It used to be possible to easily replace tiles from one of the map styles
> at osm.org with another one, but since the move to https-only tiles
> that's now much harder to do.  You can replace (say)
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/hot/9/253/166.png with
> https://tile-a.openstreetmap.fr/hot/9/253/166.png at the hosts file
> level, but need to click through a "scary browser warning" every few days.
> More generally openstreetmap.org isn't really designed as a "general
> public" map destination, which is fair enough (it can't do everything).
> It's easy to make suggestions like "it should do X as well" - the tricky
> bit is actually doing it and maintaining it.  I'd definitely prefer a
> project landing page that's closer to the German one
> https://openstreetmap.de/ , but I don't have the skills, energy, time or
> enthusiasm to make that happen.  I particularly like the "showroom" there -
> a link to lots of different map styles, separate from the main
> openstreetmap.de map.
> Another example that is surely worth mentioning here is
> https://cycle.travel - that's designed for a particular use case.  I
> suspect that most people become aware of OSM by seeing the name at the
> bottom-right of a completely different site that someone sent them to
> because it was useful.  Another indication of this is the number of help
> questions that we see where people are having problems with "the
> openstreetmap app" or "the site gives an error" (and that site clearly
> isn't openstreetmap.org).
> Best Regards,
> Andy
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