[Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways

Chris Hodges chris at c-hodges.co.uk
Mon Dec 14 22:04:15 UTC 2020

I've also had an electric fence across a bridleway, and some very grumpy 
cows the other side of it. Luckily the farmer appeared and was very 
happy to let me through or it would have been retracing 3km of grassy 
riding on a touring bike.

I'm rather prone to bike-hiking, even if not keen on it, so see the 
benefit of a correct "bicycle=yes" - and I'll try to fill in the 
tracktype, surface, and sometimes (rather subjective) bike difficulty 
when I get home.  After Saturday's ride one bridleway should have been 
tagged "surface=water"

As for comfy Cotswolds - I'm not far from there, so I know you get 
things like locked gates wrapped in barbed wire on bridleways, within 
the boundaries of the changeset that prompted this

On 14/12/2020 21:51, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 14/12/2020 20:57, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
>> A barrier=stile on a long-established UK bridleway is 99.9% a mapping 
>> error. Bridleways are open to horses and bikes, and so stiles are 
>> forbidden - PRoW officers are pretty hot on this.
> That may be the case in the comfy Cotswolds but I'm not sure that 
> necessarily the case everywhere else in the country. :)
> Actual steps on bridleways are common enough that I had to add a 
> rendering for them at map.atownsend.org.uk (see 
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=19&lat=54.417701&lon=-0.525549 
> ).  I might have recently mentioned 
> https://map.atownsend.org.uk/maps/map/map.html#zoom=21&lat=54.0087259&lon=-1.0201263 
> (a bridleway with an electric fence across it) on this list as well.
> There are plenty of signed bridleways where horse access might be 
> difficult for other reasons:  I set horse_scale=demanding on 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/762748920 , but on balance it should 
> perhaps be a higher value due to the difficulty in negotiating the 
> descent.  A subsequent mapper added bicycle=yes there - that's 
> entirely correct, but the depth of the mud and the thickness of the 
> trees would would be a challenge to even the keenest MTBer.
> With regard to this alleged stile, the previous tagging and location 
> would suggest to me a barrier=horse_stile (mentioned earlier in the 
> thread) on the bridleway rather than a barrier=stile off it, but so 
> much here needs remapping or at the very least rechecking (the stream 
> differs greatly from the imagery, at least one of the bridleways looks 
> like a track to me, no designation tags) that personally I'd just 
> stick it in the "needs survey" bucket.
> Best Regards,
> Andy
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