[Talk-GB] Talk-GB Digest, Vol 171, Issue 52

[Neil Matthews]

Apologies, I assumed this was a ongoing project that started last month, 
c.f. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/94154740#map=8/51.900/-1.599

I'm definitely not keen on seeing welly-boot mapping remapped by 
armchair mappers -- there are too many real-world issues that don't map 
easily (sorry!) to more abstract ontologies.

I do think it would be great quarterly project (if the stile's wrong -- 
a lot else might be too).

And if this is a key issue for you, then perhaps asking OSM editor 
developers to give a gentle warning for "stile" on "bridleway" might be 
a great idea -- and help reduce inadvertant problems. -- and stop them 
coming back.
(I think "block" should be ok though -- probably just there to stop cars)

Cheers,
Neil

P.S. I only raised it on talk-gb as it covered a large area -- I have no 
problem reverting smaller changesets in my locality that are incorrect.

> From: Richard Fairhurst <richard at systemed.net>
> To: "talk-gb OSM List (E-mail)" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Removing all stiles from bridleways
>
> Neil Matthews wrote:
>>   Looks like there's been an attempt to remove all stiles from
>> bridleways
> Um, no there hasn't?
>
> The changeset you've pointed to (which is one of mine) has a single stile moved to the side of a bridleway. I've done this a handful of times in the past, too, usually where the stile is clearly misplaced at a footpath/bridleway junction node rather than off to the side on a footpath, but occasionally at an isolated bridleway location like this.
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> A barrier=stile on a long-established UK bridleway is 99.9% a mapping error. Bridleways are open to horses and bikes, and so stiles are forbidden - PRoW officers are pretty hot on this. You will sometimes see a stile placed to the side of a gate: in OSM this is usually mapped as a highway=footway through the stile and highway=bridleway through the gate, though of course there's no distinct public footpath PRoW in this case.
>
> OSM is an iterative process of fixup and improvement, and shouting "mechanical edit!" every time someone makes a change that hasn't been surveyed in walking boots and then manually etched onto the hard disc platters of a server somewhere in Amsterdam is not hugely helpful. I mean, just change it back and say "put back pending survey" if you feel that strongly, it doesn't need an entire mailing list thread.
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> Richard
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