[Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

Philip Barnes phil at trigpoint.me.uk
Mon Feb 24 11:33:39 UTC 2020


The West Midlands showgroung is tagged as amenity=showground.

Phil (trigpoint)

On Monday, 24 February 2020, SK53 wrote:
> I asked similar questions about 6 months ago:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2019-September/023452.html
> ,
> and there are other discussions going back some 10 years:
> http://gis.19327.n8.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=5167127&query=showground&n=5167127
> 
> Jerry
> 
> On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 09:58, Mark Goodge <mark at good-stuff.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> > Morning all,
> >
> > Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties
> > showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather
> > than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be
> > landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass.
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235
> >
> > I've responded to that comment on the changeset, but I thought it would
> > be worth throwing out here as well.
> >
> > I do think that tagging showgrounds as landuse=commercial is generally
> > incorrect; it doesn't match the description of 'commercial' in the wiki
> > and doesn't reflect the typical uses of showgrounds both when a show is
> > on and when one isn't.
> >
> > The reason I tagged the Three Counties showground as grass is because,
> > most of the year, that's precisely what it is - an open area of
> > grassland. Unless there is an event on (which only happens for a
> > minority of days in a year) it is just an open space.
> >
> > Looking at a few other showgrounds across the country, we don't seem to
> > have any consistency.
> >
> > The East of England Showground is tagged as landuse=recreation_ground:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170
> >
> > The Suffolk Showground is tagged as a park:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277
> >
> > So is the Staffordshire County Showgound:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643
> >
> > The former Royal Showground at Stoneleigh is tagged as commercial, but
> > in that case that's probably now correct as it's no longer used as a
> > showground and is gradually being redeveloped as a business park:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220
> >
> > The Great Yorkshire Showground isn't tagged as an area at all, just a
> > network of roads and individual features:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065
> >
> > Similarly with the Norfolk Showground
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793
> >
> > And the Bath and West Showground:
> >
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265
> >
> > So, what do people think? Personally, I think that showgrounds ought to
> > be tagged as an area, because they do, typically, have clear boundaries
> > and are distinct from their surrounding context. But I'm less sure what
> > the area should be tagged as. I think commercial is usually wrong, for
> > the reasons I've already given, but I can see an argument for either
> > grass, recreation_ground or even park.
> >
> > Thoughts, anyone?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
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