[Talk-GB] TPT / NCN62 (was: Re: National Cycle Network removal/reclassification)

Andy Townsend ajt1047 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 18 18:17:00 UTC 2020

On 18/07/2020 17:06, Adam Snape wrote:
> On the subject of overlapping relations. I've recently noticed that 
> the NCN 62 relation has been named Transpennine trail which is true 
> for much, but not all of the route. The TPT ends at Southport, yet NCN 
> 62 continues further North. At the eastern end of the TPT goes far 
> beyond the end of NCN 62 which ends at Selby. They need to be two 
> separate relations.

The Trans-Pennine Trail is a bit confusing, both on the ground and in 
OSM.  A quick query in OSM south of Selby turns up this:


"ref=62; name=Trans Pennine Trail"

and this:


"ref=TPT; name=Trans Pennine Trail"

and also this:


"name=Trans Pennine Trail (Wombwell to Selby)"

It essentially goes all over the place, and doesn't correspond to one 
particular NCN (see 
).  The Chesterfield end has two braids and partially corresponds to 
what is or was NCN 67.

The superroute I believe is https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4139041

If NCN 62 isn't properly called the Transpennine Trail I'd remove that 
name from it and explain in a note on the relation why.  My recollection 
is that NCN62 and TPT signage is separate, but it's a while since I've 
seen any so I may be wrong.

The best approach for tidying would I think be to:

  * Find anything not in the superroute and figure out what the status
    actually is.
  * Ensure that routes in the superroute are split where tags change
    (e.g. bits with NCN 62 signage and bits without)

It'd be a lot of work for relatively little reward though - presumably 
that's why no-one's stepped up to tidy things up yet.

Best Regards,


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