[Talk-GB] Scheduled Monument

Nick nick at foresters.org
Thu Jul 30 16:09:27 UTC 2020

Hi Tony

I had contacted one of the authors but also did wonder if it was better 
to make my own - thank you so much for sharing your version :-)



On 30/07/2020 15:36, Tony OSM wrote:
> Hi
> I did know of that plug-in so i created my own
> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
> <presets xmlns="http://josm.openstreetmap.de/tagging-preset-1.0" >
> <item name=" Historic England Listing" type="node,way,closedway" 
> preset_name_label="true">
>             <label text="Tagging for Historic England building in 
> England" />
>             <link 
> href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:listed_status" />
>             <key key="heritage" value="2" />
>             <key key="heritage:operator" value="Historic England" />
>             <key key="historic" value="heritage" />
>             <combo key="listed_status" text="which Grade?" 
> values="Grade I, Grade II*, Grade II" />
>             <text key="HE_ref" text="Listing Ref (e.g. 1362068)" />
>             <text key="website" text="url of HE page" />
>             <text key="operator" text="who runs the site?" />
>             <text key="start_date" text="when was the building built?" />
>             <space />
>   </item> <!-- Historic England listing -->
> </presets>
> to produce tags
> HE_ref=123456 (example)
> heritage:operator=Historic England
> heritage=2
> historic=heritage
> listed_status=Grade II* (from dropdown list - must extend this to 
> include Scheduled Monument etc)
> operator=an operator (example)
> start_date=2022 (example)
> website=a:url (example)
> Tony
> On 30/07/2020 13:00, Nick wrote:
>> In relation to this, I wondered if anyone using JOSM has reviewed the 
>> preset https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets/Heritage? For 
>> example, it seems that for England the use of he:criteria has been 
>> used to tag listed buildings. Should this preset use a drop down for 
>> he:criteria with values for the NHLE heritage listings? Taking this 
>> further, should the preset also have a drop down for Listed Building 
>> listed_status?
>> On 23/07/2020 15:12, Nick wrote:
>>> Out of interest, I note that in England the 'List Entry Number' 
>>> appears to be simply numeric, which does not appear to give an 
>>> indication of the type of designation. Perhaps I have not picked 
>>> that up correctly.
>>> N.B. in Scotland, designations have a code + numeric listing e.g. 
>>> HMPA2 (which is a Historic Marine Protected Area). This makes it 
>>> easier to identify by the listing as to the type of heritage 
>>> designation (suggest that code references/descriptors could be 
>>> included on a wiki for ref:hs=*)
>>> On 23/07/2020 11:39, Tony OSM wrote:
>>>> Hi
>>>> When I started mapping these objects I looked at what other people 
>>>> had done and followed suit. I looked at 
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom and 
>>>> saw a the statement
>>>>         /National Heritage List for England (Historic England)/
>>>> //
>>>> /The Historic Buildings and Monuments Commission for England 
>>>> (commonly known as //Historic England 
>>>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/>//) has given permission for the 
>>>> //National Heritage List for England 
>>>> <https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/data-downloads/>//(NHLE) 
>>>> to be used in OSM under the terms of the //Open Government Licence 
>>>> v3 
>>>> <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/>//. 
>>>> //[10] 
>>>> <https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/re_use_request_for_national_heri>//No 
>>>> specific attribution was requested, so the default: "Contains 
>>>> public sector information licensed under the Open Government 
>>>> Licence v3.0." applies. The NHLE includes the following heritage 
>>>> listings: /
>>>> //
>>>>   * /Listed buildings (see //Key:listed_status
>>>>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:listed_status>//)/
>>>>   * /Scheduled monuments/
>>>>   * /Protected wreck sites/
>>>>   * /Registered parks and gardens/
>>>>   * /Registered battlefields/
>>>>   * /World Heritage Sites/
>>>>   * /Buildings with Building Preservation Notices (BPNs)/
>>>> Revisiting today I think England is OK to use the data, but what 
>>>> about Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland and Isle Of Man ..........
>>>> On 23/07/2020 10:47, Robert Skedgell wrote:
>>>>> On 15/07/2020 10:18, Tony OSM wrote:
>>>>>> Whilst mapping some of my local historic places I have found Scheduled
>>>>>> Monuments. They are described in the Historic England list as Heritage
>>>>>> Category: Scheduled Monument and has a List Entry Number.
>>>>>> Building are listed as Heritage Category: Listed Building , Grade: (I,
>>>>>> II*, II) and a list entry number.
>>>>> I have a related question about using data from the Historic England
>>>>> list. How can we comply with the attribution requirement in para. 2 of
>>>>> OS Open Data Licence Agreement used by HE (below)? Some of this may be
>>>>> covered by OSM's general license and acknowledgements, but would an
>>>>> additional tag on the object be required?
>>>>> Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence Agreement
>>>>> Historic England is able to license the use of a number of its spatial
>>>>> data sets for use in Geographic Information Systems (GIS) ("Historic
>>>>> England GIS Data") for commercial and non-commercial use.
>>>>> 1. Subject to the terms below, you are now granted a worldwide,
>>>>> perpetual, non-exclusive licence to use this Historic England GIS Data.
>>>>> You may:
>>>>> - copy, publish, distribute and transmit the Historic England GIS Data
>>>>> - adapt or modify the Historic England GIS Data
>>>>> - exploit the Historic England GIS Data commercially for example by
>>>>> combining it with other information or by including it in your own
>>>>> product or application
>>>>> 2. You must always use the following attribution statements to
>>>>> acknowledge the source of the information:
>>>>> © Historic England [year]. Contains Ordnance Survey data © Crown
>>>>> copyright and database right [year] The Historic England GIS Data
>>>>> contained in this material was obtained on [date]. The most publicly
>>>>> available up to date Historic England GIS Data can be obtained from
>>>>> http://www.HistoricEngland.org.uk.
>>>>> 3. The same requirement for an attribution statement must be contained
>>>>> in any sub-licences of the Historic England GIS Data that you grant,
>>>>> together with a requirement that any further sub-licences do the same.
>>>>> 4. You must ensure that you do not use the Historic England GIS Data in
>>>>> a way which suggests any official status or that Historic England has
>>>>> endorsed you or your use of the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>>> 5. The Historic England GIS Data must not be used for purposes which may
>>>>> lead to damage to archaeological sites, historic buildings and landscapes.
>>>>> 6. You must not mislead others or misrepresent the Historic England GIS
>>>>> Data or its source.
>>>>> 7. This licence does not give you permission to use any Historic England
>>>>> trade marks or logos.
>>>>> 8. You must ensure your use of the Historic England GIS Data complies
>>>>> with the Data Protection Act 1998 or the Privacy and Electronic
>>>>> Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003.
>>>>> 9. The Historic England GIS Data is updated on a regular basis. It is
>>>>> current only to the date of the dataset as given on the downloadable data.
>>>>> 10. All intellectual proprietary rights in this Historic England GIS
>>>>> Data and the documentation remain vested in Historic England and its
>>>>> licensors. Where Ordnance Survey base mapping has been used to create
>>>>> certain Historic England GIS Data, Ordnance Survey claims Intellectual
>>>>> Property Rights in the data. As such, Historic England GIS Data is
>>>>> subject to the terms of the Ordnance Survey Open Data Licence – a copy
>>>>> of which can be found here.
>>>>> 11. Spatial data is provided solely to indicate the location of the
>>>>> designated area. The spatial data for listed buildings does not indicate
>>>>> the extent of a listing or the curtilage.
>>>>> 12. The Historic England GIS Data is licensed 'as is' and Historic
>>>>> England excludes all representations, warranties, obligations and
>>>>> liabilities in relation to the Historic England GIS Data to the maximum
>>>>> extent permitted by law.
>>>>> 13. Historic England will not be liable (whether directly or indirectly)
>>>>> for any loss or damages arising out of or in connection with any use of
>>>>> the Historic England GIS Data, any infringement of third party
>>>>> intellectual property rights or any decisions made on the basis of this
>>>>> data.
>>>>> 14. Historic England is not liable for any errors or omissions in the
>>>>> Historic England GIS Data and shall not be liable for any loss, injury
>>>>> or damage of any kind caused by its use. Historic England does not
>>>>> guarantee the continued supply of the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>>> 15. Nothing in this licence shall exclude Historic England's liability
>>>>> for death or personal injury caused by negligence, or for fraud.
>>>>> 16. Historic England may terminate this licence if you are in material
>>>>> breach of its terms and fail to remedy any breach (if capable of remedy)
>>>>> within 14 days of being notified by Historic England. If Historic
>>>>> England does terminate this licence you must immediately stop all use of
>>>>> the Historic England GIS Data and terminate any sub-licences of the
>>>>> material containing the Historic England GIS Data.
>>>>> 17. A person who is not a party to this licence shall not have any right
>>>>> under the Contract (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 to enforce any of
>>>>> its terms.
>>>>> 18. This licence (including any non-contractual disputes) is governed
>>>>> by, and will be construed in accordance with, English law and the
>>>>> exclusive jurisdiction of the English courts.
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