[Talk-GB] Private and restricted access post boxes

[SK53]

The actual locations of many of these are still very useful. As sub-post
offices get relocated to shops there are likely to be more of them. In the
past I would certainly have appreciated knowing the locations of ones on
the departure side of airports. To my regret I forgot to ascertain the
location of the one in the RAC Club on Pall Mall when I called in there a
few years ago.

There are other issues with amenity=post_box elsewhere in the world. The
tag is used in the US (and possibly elsewhere) for banks of external letter
boxes outside apartment building, and also for other non-universal delivery
providers (FedEx etc).

Jerry

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 07:54, Jez Nicholson <jez.nicholson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm inclined to think that it is the areas that are restricted and not the
> postboxes, and hence map them as normal.
>
> I've had a similar issue with clothes recycling boxes on school premises.
>
> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 15:56 Dan Glover, <dan at dgsys.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> So it’s March, the sun is shining here and it’s time to go back out in
>> pursuit of post boxes and other OSM things.
>>
>>
>>
>> While working through the CT postal area three things have come up which
>> maybe need further thought:
>>
>>
>>
>> -          Some boxes are located within MOD or other restricted access
>> sites.  To those inside the fence they are normal facilities but perhaps
>> they’re not an “amenity” in the sense of being available to the general
>> public.  This also tends to inhibit surveying.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          Royal Mail data from 2013 in some cases includes “private
>> boxes”, one local example is in the reception area of an hotel.  There is a
>> mail collection from the building but there’s a conventional pillar box
>> within 200 m.  These probably aren’t an “amenity” in general terms.  The RM
>> data treats them inconsistently, they’re not all listed.
>>
>>
>>
>> -          There are boxes inside some supermarkets. They are also on
>> private property however the public is encouraged to visit the premises.
>> Those in Tesco and Asda, maybe others, tend to be tall GRP boxes of this
>> style (a variation with clear back is used at airports and other places
>> where security might be a concern)
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_at_ASDA,_Smithdown_Road.jpg.
>> These are owned and operated by RM in the normal fashion.  In the past
>> Sainsbury’s had boxes carrying advertising and often labelled MIDI POST or
>> similar, in this style
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post_box_CH49_15_in_Sainsbury,_Upton.jpg
>> I understand these were “private” in RM terms and the third party which
>> managed them went into administration, following which most were removed.
>> However due to RM’s inconsistent data some appear in the 2013 FOI release.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is there an appropriate way to handle the first two cases?  Should they
>> be in OSM at all, or shown with a tag to indicate restricted access?
>>
>>
>>
>> As for the Sainsbury’s boxes it may be the best thing is to treat all of
>> them as requiring a check to confirm whether the facility still exists.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dan
>>
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