[Talk-GB] Recycling Points

[Jez Nicholson]

Hi Michael,

The issue is that Golf Drive Recycling Point is not a [single] recycling
container, it is a group of recycling containers.

Talking to a waste expert today I'm told an industry term is "bring site"
as anybody may bring their recycling here....as opposed to a Household
Waste Recycling Centre where only local residents may.

Regards,
              Jez

On Sat, 28 Nov 2020, 13:10 Michael Booth, <boothym at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jez, I'm confused :)
>
> Your first email recognised the difference between a recycling centre
> (i.e. a council-run 'tip' / 'dump' that you can normally drive into) and a
> recycling point (i.e. one with containers, found in supermarket car parks
> etc.).
>
> So I'm really not sure why you would tag the "Golf Drive Recycling Point"
> as recycling_type=centre when it is clearly recycling_type=container?
> There's really only two options in the OSM data, and photos on the wiki
> page also make it clear which is which:
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type
>
> Examples in Aberdeen - centre: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/116883204
> and container: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/464736817
>
> On 27/11/2020 09:40, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>
> Agreed, "point" sucks as a value, I won't use it....my fundamental reason
> for it not being a 'centre' was size, but a Recycling Point _could_ be seen
> as a mini Recycling Centre that only accepts recyclable waste. You can see
> a perimeter boundary by the concrete area it is set on. I could go with a
> site relation but you can't physically carry out other activities between
> the constituent objects (unlike a wind farm).
>
> I will try with 'centre' and including '....Recycling Point' in the name.
>
> On Fri, 27 Nov 2020, 08:58 Dan S, <danstowell+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Op do 26 nov. 2020 om 19:21 schreef Jez Nicholson <
>> jez.nicholson at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Okay, bear with. I know that this is detailed mapping, but I enquired a
>>> while ago on the amenity:recycling talk page and a single recycling
>>> container == a single node. A group of containers == a group of nodes.
>>>
>>> Here is an image of the highly attractive Golf Drive Recycling Point
>>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Golf_Drive_Recycling_Point.jpg
>>> featuring 6 * "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="container" which
>>> accept different items including
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379145 glass,
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379151 cans, cardboard, paper,
>>> plastic bottles, and https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/8168379142 a
>>> clothes bank.
>>>
>>> The area they are contained in is called "Golf Drive Recycling Point".
>>> There's a sign that says so. I've added a polygon
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/877940580 as "amenity"="recycling" +
>>> "recycling_type"="point"
>>>
>>> I can only really see containers or centres in
>>> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/recycling_type#values but
>>> this place is neither.
>>>
>>> Are you offended by "amenity"="recycling" + "recycling_type"="point"? It
>>> seems like the UK term for it.
>>>
>>>
>> Honestly, "point" seems dangerously prone to misunderstanding, when used
>> as a value here in OSM. I know we tend to say "recycling point", but that
>> doesn't mean that we say "point". "I'll just go to the point".
>>
>> I wish I could suggest a good alternative word, e.g. a word we already
>> use for some other type of feature.
>>
>> What is the fundamental reason this is not a recycling_type=centre? Is it
>> the size? (If so, no problem - use "centre" on a suitable polygon.) Is it
>> the fact that it's unstaffed? (Could use self_service=only or
>> supervised=no.) Is it that there's no perimeter boundary?
>>
>> Best
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:25 PM Jeremy Harris <jgh at wizmail.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/11/2020 11:16, Jez Nicholson wrote:
>>>> > Am I missing something, or is there no concept of a Recycling Point
>>>> in OSM?
>>>> > Have you seen/used anything else?
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:recycling_type>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>    Jeremy
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