[Talk-GB] Stile tagging in StreetComplete (dog_gate=yes/no on all stiles?)

Mon Apr 19 18:01:26 UTC 2021

StreetComplete expects that no matter which option will be selected by user something can be
tagged (except extremely rare cases where user will leave note and something will be changed,
removing situation that triggered quest).

That means if tagging dog_gate=no on all stepover stiles without dog gates is not wanted,
then such quest cannot be added to SC.

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So for roads with missing surface user has option to select surface from list, split road into parts
if surface changes along way or answer with a note that has attached photo (for example
"this road is not existing at all").

This works if people are fine with tagging explicit surface tag on every single road.

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And for example in case of `barrier=yes` nodes user is supposed to select one of values in the list
and if none matches, then leave a note (preferable with a photo) allowing other mappers 
to specify it.

This is a not yet released quest, interface shown at 
https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/pull/2753#issuecomment-821894098
(there are some extra detail - barrier=yes with also say leisure=picnic_table is skipped,
note that only nodes with barrier=yes generate this quest, user also has an option
to answer that there is no barrier here and SC will handle removal

This works if people are fine with retagging all barrier=yes into more specific values.

Apr 19, 2021, 15:07 by sk53.osm at gmail.com:

> I would suggest that dog_gate/guillotine is implicitly no, and therefore only necessary to add them if they exist. The fraction of stiles I've seen them on is quite small, and this would be normal OSM practice, and is relevant when tags are not editor supported, because *=no tags can get ignored on updates.
>
> I'm not sure how StreetComplete works, but if it will continually ask whether a stile has a dog gate then perhaps tag explicitly.
>
> Whilst I'm here: I'd like to mention locked gates. John Stanworth has been mapping them a lot round Sheffield & we plan to discuss them tomorrow night during our on-line meeting.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 12:29, Jez Nicholson <> jez.nicholson at gmail.com> > wrote:
>
>> I don't believe that anyone actively opposes it. If so, then please speak up....but you are correct that the stats don't read well with 135 dog_gates (10 of which are 'no') on 19,690 GB stiles which is not even 1%.
>>
>> I'm biassed, because I would like to have the information and because using Street Complete would make it easier to collect. Street Complete's power is in adding detail to existing data.
>>
>> We could run a poll on the OSMUK Loomio and ask that part of the community if you would like to show that you've asked?
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 9:12 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <>> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Is adding explicit dog_gate=yes/no on every single stile desirable?
>>>
>>> Asking as stile=* is in wide use while dog_gate=* not, and I prefer to
>>> avoid something that would be considered as unwanted by community.
>>>
>>> Apr 18, 2021, 01:13 by >>> jez.nicholson at gmail.com>>> :
>>>
>>>> Ah great. I was on a walk today and adding the style's details would've been a lot easier with Street Complete than using a full editor.
>>>>
>>>> I have a dog, so dog_gate=yes is quite useful knowledge. If it's a two step style and I have to carry a 25 kilo greyhound over it can be quite a balancing trick >>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnicho02/51070889348/in/dateposted/
>>>>
>>>> I will try to get a photo of a dog gate to add to the wiki. It is simply a length of wood in a guide that can be drawn upwards to let a dog through.
>>>>
>>>> - Jez
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021, 23:25 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB, <>>>> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I heard that tagging stile=* on barrier=stile can be useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> As different stiles are of different accessibility, for example ladder stiles 
>>>>> may be a major barrier to some people[1].
>>>>>
>>>>> I implemented draft of StreetComplete quest that would detect where
>>>>> stile= tag is missing and ask for data allowing to add it
>>>>>
>>>>> stile=squeezer / ladder / stepover would be added depending on answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also there would be a special option that stile got converted to a kissing gate.
>>>>>
>>>>> (and regular "can't say" allowing to skip quest or create a freeform note with a photo)
>>>>>
>>>>> preview is at
>>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2749#issuecomment-821892536
>>>>>
>>>>> Posting as I am not really familiar with stiles and if something is wrong with
>>>>> images, idea or implementation I would be interested in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Is_stile_type_used_for_anything_or_potentially_useful.3F
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------
>>>>>
>>>>> And one more thing, asked already on 
>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dstile
>>>>>
>>>>> Let say that there is a stile with 1 step on each side.
>>>>> Is it step_count=1 or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or stile that has 2 steps on one side and 3 on another. 
>>>>> Is it step_count=3 or step_count=5?
>>>>>
>>>>> So far talk page has one reply
>>>>> "I think it would make most sense to be the maximum number of steps on either side.
>>>>> In most (?) cases, there will be the same number of steps on both sides.",
>>>>> but from someone who was not tagging this so far.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ask, as I am considering implementing a StreetComplete quest asking
>>>>> about this info (as something like that can be useful for hikers with
>>>>> limited mobility, for example elderly people)
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Also - if there are some systematic problems with StreetComplete edits, especially if caused
>>>>> by some problematic design - you can let me know by sending me an email -
>>>>> or even better, create an issue at >>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues
>>>>> (so it will be directly delivered to app author and all involved rather just to me)
>>>>>
>>>>> [obviously, if user deliberately answered incorrectly - usually nothing can be done in editor itself]
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone is still reading: if you are aware about other cases where useful data can be added
>>>>> with StreetComplete, and it is not discussed already on StreetComplete issue tracker -
>>>>> ideas are welcomed ( see 
>>>>> https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/wiki/Adding-new-Quests-to-StreetComplete
>>>>> and >>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues?q=is%3Aissue>>>>>  )
>>>>>
>>>>> stile=* tagging that seems like a good fit is something that I discovered by accident
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