[Talk-GB] Stile tagging in StreetComplete (dog_gate=yes/no on all stiles?)

[Mateusz Konieczny]

As this tag is not widely used, in case of any opposition StreetComplete will not 
start asking it.

Situation would be different if wide use of tag would be accepted,
including explicit tagging that something is not present. 
For example it is normal to tag name tag or noname=yes on highway=residential.

Apr 19, 2021, 13:25 by jez.nicholson at gmail.com:

> I don't believe that anyone actively opposes it. If so, then please speak up....but you are correct that the stats don't read well with 135 dog_gates (10 of which are 'no') on 19,690 GB stiles which is not even 1%.
>
> I'm biassed, because I would like to have the information and because using Street Complete would make it easier to collect. Street Complete's power is in adding detail to existing data.
>
> We could run a poll on the OSMUK Loomio and ask that part of the community if you would like to show that you've asked?
>
> On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 9:12 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> > wrote:
>
>> Is adding explicit dog_gate=yes/no on every single stile desirable?
>>
>> Asking as stile=* is in wide use while dog_gate=* not, and I prefer to
>> avoid something that would be considered as unwanted by community.
>>
>> Apr 18, 2021, 01:13 by >> jez.nicholson at gmail.com>> :
>>
>>> Ah great. I was on a walk today and adding the style's details would've been a lot easier with Street Complete than using a full editor.
>>>
>>> I have a dog, so dog_gate=yes is quite useful knowledge. If it's a two step style and I have to carry a 25 kilo greyhound over it can be quite a balancing trick >>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnicho02/51070889348/in/dateposted/
>>>
>>> I will try to get a photo of a dog gate to add to the wiki. It is simply a length of wood in a guide that can be drawn upwards to let a dog through.
>>>
>>> - Jez
>>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Apr 2021, 23:25 Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB, <>>> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I heard that tagging stile=* on barrier=stile can be useful.
>>>>
>>>> As different stiles are of different accessibility, for example ladder stiles 
>>>> may be a major barrier to some people[1].
>>>>
>>>> I implemented draft of StreetComplete quest that would detect where
>>>> stile= tag is missing and ask for data allowing to add it
>>>>
>>>> stile=squeezer / ladder / stepover would be added depending on answer.
>>>>
>>>> Also there would be a special option that stile got converted to a kissing gate.
>>>>
>>>> (and regular "can't say" allowing to skip quest or create a freeform note with a photo)
>>>>
>>>> preview is at
>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/2749#issuecomment-821892536
>>>>
>>>> Posting as I am not really familiar with stiles and if something is wrong with
>>>> images, idea or implementation I would be interested in that.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Is_stile_type_used_for_anything_or_potentially_useful.3F
>>>>
>>>> -------------
>>>>
>>>> And one more thing, asked already on 
>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:barrier%3Dstile
>>>>
>>>> Let say that there is a stile with 1 step on each side.
>>>> Is it step_count=1 or something else?
>>>>
>>>> Or stile that has 2 steps on one side and 3 on another. 
>>>> Is it step_count=3 or step_count=5?
>>>>
>>>> So far talk page has one reply
>>>> "I think it would make most sense to be the maximum number of steps on either side.
>>>> In most (?) cases, there will be the same number of steps on both sides.",
>>>> but from someone who was not tagging this so far.
>>>>
>>>> I ask, as I am considering implementing a StreetComplete quest asking
>>>> about this info (as something like that can be useful for hikers with
>>>> limited mobility, for example elderly people)
>>>>
>>>> -------------
>>>>
>>>> Also - if there are some systematic problems with StreetComplete edits, especially if caused
>>>> by some problematic design - you can let me know by sending me an email -
>>>> or even better, create an issue at >>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues
>>>> (so it will be directly delivered to app author and all involved rather just to me)
>>>>
>>>> [obviously, if user deliberately answered incorrectly - usually nothing can be done in editor itself]
>>>>
>>>> -------------
>>>>
>>>> If anyone is still reading: if you are aware about other cases where useful data can be added
>>>> with StreetComplete, and it is not discussed already on StreetComplete issue tracker -
>>>> ideas are welcomed ( see 
>>>> https://github.com/westnordost/StreetComplete/wiki/Adding-new-Quests-to-StreetComplete
>>>> and >>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues?q=is%3Aissue>>>>  )
>>>>
>>>> stile=* tagging that seems like a good fit is something that I discovered by accident
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