[Talk-GB] building=maisonette was:Retagging building=flats

Ian Caldwell ian1caldwell+OSM at googlemail.com
Mon Apr 19 19:35:17 UTC 2021


In the early 80s I lived in a maisonette that was part of a block of 9.  3
one level "flats" on the ground floor with 6 2 level maisonette above.  So
a three story building. Each had its own entrance at ground level . Built
in the 60s for private ownership.

Ian


On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 20:21, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Donald,
>
> I think Edinburgh is covered by Bing Streetside. If you could provide a
> suitable link I'll have a look.
>
> Typical maisonettes in London:
>
> * Between the wars street in Ruislip,
> <https://www.bing.com/maps?&ty=18&q=Meadway%20Gardens%2C%20Ruislip%2C%20England&lf=&mb=51.584893~-0.435768~51.576666~-0.413452&ppois=51.5812_-0.429931_Meadway%20Gardens%2C%20Eastcote%20%26%20East%20Ruislip%2C%20Hillingdon%2C%20Ruislip%20HA4%207_QWRkcmVzcy9NRFBfNTQ3MTc4OTQ1NDc0ODI4NzAwOT9hbHRRdWVyeT1hbCU1RU1lYWR3YXkrR2FyZGVucyU3Q2xjJTVFSGlsbGluZ2RvbiU3Q3BjJTVFSEE0KzclN0NhMSU1RUVuZ2xhbmQlN0NhMiU1RUxvbmRvbiU3Q2NyJTVFVW5pdGVkK0tpbmdkb20lN0Npc28lNUVHQg%3D%3D~&dt=1618858800000&tt=Meadway%20Gardens%2C%20Eastcote%20%26%20East%20Ruislip%2C%20Hillingdon%2C%20Ruislip%20HA4%207&tsts0=%2526ty%253D18%2526q%253DMeadway%252520Gardens%25252C%252520Ruislip%25252C%252520England%2526lf%253D%2526mb%253D51.584893~-0.435768~51.576666~-0.413452%2526ppois%253D51.5812_-0.429931_Meadway%252520Gardens%25252C%252520Eastcote%252520%252526%252520East%252520Ruislip%25252C%252520Hillingdon%25252C%252520Ruislip%252520HA4%2525207_QWRkcmVzcy9NRFBfNTQ3MTc4OTQ1NDc0ODI4NzAwOT9hbHRRdWVyeT1hbCU1RU1lYWR3YXkrR2FyZGVucyU3Q2xjJTVFSGlsbGluZ2RvbiU3Q3BjJTVFSEE0KzclN0NhMSU1RUVuZ2xhbmQlN0NhMiU1RUxvbmRvbiU3Q2NyJTVFVW5pdGVkK0tpbmdkb20lN0Npc28lNUVHQg%25253D%25253D~%2526dt%253D1618858800000&tstt0=Meadway%20Gardens%2C%20Eastcote%20%26%20East%20Ruislip%2C%20Hillingdon%2C%20Ruislip%20HA4%207&cp=51.581241~-0.42989&lvl=19&dir=52.50422&pi=7.010592&style=x&mo=z.0&ftst=0&ftics=False&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027>
> 4 maisonettes in each building, with distinct separate entrances: A lot of
> interwar buildings go to pretty extreme lengths to look like ordinary
> houses.
> * Edwardian one in Ealing
> <https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=30ab0c6f-23a0-4838-aca3-3bd8782f59c3&cp=51.494302~-0.307495&lvl=19&dir=164.4736&pi=4.5280776&style=x&mo=z.1.73&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027>.
> IIRC most of the buildings on the S side of Darwin Road are maisonettes of
> a similar age, but contrary to my memory many don't have 2 obvious front
> doors.This one does so makes it's distinctiveness apparent. These were
> purpose built. I think there are many more in the Ealing area, e.g.,
> streets N of West Ealing station. Another area where they are common is
> Bounds Green near the N. Circular.
> * Typical post-war ones (via Geograph
> <https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/687186>)
>
> In addition some blocks of larger council (social) housing are described
> as maisonettes; these usually are on 3 or more levels and some residences
> are duplex. Again they are purpose built, and there are no shared
> entrances. I'd probably have tended to call them flats myself, but they do
> broadly fit the bill. In the Greater Manchester area there are many blocks
> of 4 or 6 maisonettes built as social housing : mainly spotted because of
> the odd layout of solar panels on some, then validated via Streetside and
> thereafter readily noticed from aerial images.
>
> The house ones tend to be slightly taller and deeper than an equivalent
> house, not by a huge amount, but enough once one has one's eye in.
>
> Similar concepts exist in the US (e.g., Chicago
> <https://www.bing.com/maps?osid=530d1288-c610-47a9-b3c0-31c26ad2d68f&cp=41.938852~-87.66461&lvl=19&dir=200.82544&pi=11.609175&style=x&mo=z.0&imgid=e02e7bb1-be37-4f45-bf4b-d26ab1922ffb&v=2&sV=2&form=S00027>),
> but they are nearly always referred to condos and both parts of the
> building will be duplex. Condo is actually the form of ownership rather
> than a building type, but I'd be hesitant about imposing something which I
> believe is distinctly British thing elsewhere.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 at 18:56, Donald Noble <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Good evening all,
>>
>> The previous post below got me wondering about how best to tag houses
>> which are effectively 2 flats one above the other, but each with their
>> separate front door.
>>
>> If I understand correctly, this could be tagged as a maisonette, but not
>> sure if this was what Jerry was referring to, and whether it is a useful
>> detail to add?
>>
>> There are quite a lot of these in Edinburgh, and I have just been mapping
>> them with building=house with 2 nodes for the addresses at the front doors.
>> For some, I have added level=1 where it is obvious from an outside stair.
>>
>> Any thoughts on what is best practice, as I couldn't find any
>> documentation of this on the wiki.
>>
>> Cheers, Donald
>>
>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 14:08, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, apartments is well-established as the most widespread tag. The one
>>> type of property where re-tagging to apartments should be avoided is
>>> building=maisonette. These are quite distinct, and, possibly, peculiarly
>>> British, and should retain the tag (even if it doesn't help with
>>> StreetComplete).
>>>
>>> In the London area it may be of interest to subtag mansion blocks of
>>> flats (e.g., the massive group around Queen's Tennis Club in West
>>> Kensington) as these are another distinct building form.
>>>
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 10:13, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've noticed that around Hackney in London there are quite a few
>>>> buildings tagged as "flats" eg
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/197881319
>>>>
>>>> These don't show up in StreetComplete and having raised it with them
>>>> they suggested mass retagging them to building=apartments
>>>> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/272
>>>>
>>>> What are people's thoughts on this?
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>>
>> --
>> Donald Noble
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