[Talk-GB] Debenhams & Peloton

[Dave F]

On 22/08/2021 18:10, Cj Malone wrote:
> On Sun, 2021-08-22 at 15:36 +0100, Dave F wrote:
>>
>> On 21/08/2021 11:11, Cj Malone wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2021-08-20 at 23:37 +0100, Dave F via Talk-GB wrote:
>>>> 1. Is there any valid reasons for not adding 'disused:' to the ~80
>>>> closed Debenhams stores which are still tagged as 'shop'?
>>> I guess there are some for it, and some against it. I don't know
>>> where
>>> I stand overall.
>>>
>>> Not all Debenhams stores are now disused shops,
>> Which one's are these?
>> Aren't they still all under receivership & require change of use
>> permissions?
>>
> The only one I looked at was Sheffield, but you are probably right,
> it'll be waiting for planning permission. (Wouldn't it be good if we
> could hook into planning permission to prompt edits in OSM, too bad
> it's copyrighted)

There are a few with proposals by developers, but that's looong way from 
it actually happening.
I laughed at the statement for Leicester's shop: " following a public 
consultation". As if /that's/ how commerce works.

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2021/03/debenhams-store-to-be-converted-into-300-flats/shutterstock_1555531019/

>
>>> some are being
>>> converted into flats because overcharging tenants is all the rage
>>> these
>>> days. Changing them to disused shops leave them just as wrong as they
>>> currently are, but by part fixing them it can leave the problem while
>>> making it harder to identify.
>> Unsure I follow that logic.
> I meant "disused shops COULD leave them just as wrong", not that it
> always does. In fact the majority of the time it would be right to turn
> them into disuesd:shop.
>
> As for identifying errors, we know all Debenhams shops as wrong. But if
> we change that to disuesd:shop, we don't know if that is right, it
> could already be another shop, or residential, or something else. We
> just don't know.

I think there's enough evidence to say none have been reused yet. Even 
if they have, assigning them as disused makes them more accurate.

>   Hence it is easier to identify errors with the current
> status quo of leaving them.

Completely disagree with that sentence. Disused:=* indicates that it's 
closed & could be reused. Shop=* is indicating that it's still open & 
doesn't require updating.


DaveF