[Talk-GB] London Overground / TfL Rail as part of National Rail

[10992]

Here are further thoughts:

Network Rail ≠ National Rail ≈ ATOC/RDG (at least at the moment, it might all need tagging when Great British Railways or whatever they're calling it comes into being).

Merseyrail, London Overground and TfL Rail all are part of the National Rail ticketing system. See e.g. https://www.brfares.com/!fares?orig=TEO&dest=SBU.  This is distinct from running on Network Rail tracks.  HS1 is not Network Rail, I don't believe, and I don't think the new sections of TfLR are NetR.

Anyway, the operator of LO is Arriva Rail London.

Network Rail would be the operator of the tracks rather than the routes.

Perhaps brand could fit somewhere?

10992

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On Friday, November 19th, 2021 at 21:20, Russ Garrett russ at garrett.co.uk wrote:

> Shouldn't Network Rail go in the operator= or owner= tag? From a
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> customer's point of view London Overground is run by TfL, so perhaps
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> it should be network=London Overground, operator=TfL owner=Network
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> Rail.
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> Russ
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> On Fri, 19 Nov 2021 at 21:15, 10992 via Talk-GB
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> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org wrote:
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> > On a similar note, Merseyrail also seems to be tagged separately from National Rail in e.g. Relation 287293 (of which it is a part, I believe). So, if LO and TfLR are tagged as part of NR, Merseyrail also ought to be. All three are included on the https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/contact-train-operators.aspx from National Rail Enquiries.
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> > On Friday, November 19th, 2021 at 19:46, Michael Tsang miklcct at gmail.com wrote:
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> > Hi all,
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> > I have seen London Overground train lines are mapped with network="London
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> > Overground" and brand="Transport for London". London Overground and TfL Rail
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> > are train operating companies of the National Rail network, therefore I
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> > believe that they should all be tagged with network="National Rail" and
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> > ref="Overground" (or TfL Rail).
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> > Any thoughts?
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