[Talk-GB] Official wild camping spots, and poo bins, but not for dogs

[Chris Hodges]

Thanks James,
this was actually a bike trip, mostly road and on a tourer, but a 
bikepacking setup and some gravel; mostly wild-camping but a few nights 
on campsites. I didn't do much surveying, not having time (it was 
supposed to start with Bristol to JoG on a tight schedule I couldn't 
keep) but do have a few map notes to edit in.

I'm familiar with motorhome/cassette toilet emptying points, and while 
the connection hadn't occurred to me, I'd be wary of risking any 
overlap:  In the same areas, inconsiderate motorhome wild-camping is an 
issue, and I wouldn't want to risk someone tipping a toilet cassette 
into one of these bins (people do worse).

If coining waste=human_excrement is acceptable, I'll do that.  TBH I 
doubt anyone's going to check the species, and I wouldn't have thought 
twice about using a dog waste bin instead.

Chris




On 02/09/2021 17:58, James Derrick wrote:
> On 02/09/2021 16:03, Chris Hodges wrote:
>> In Loch Lomond and the Trossachs national park, there are byelaws 
>> restricting wild camping, meaning that certain designated 
>> wild-camping spots exist.  These can be though of as unattended 
>> campsites with no facilities, and must be booked, at least during 
>> summer.  So I assume tourism=camp_site + backcountry=yes + fee=yes 
>> will deal with that.
>
> Useful to know (bikepacking!).
>
>
>> Some of these sites have a new feature, bins for disposal of bagged 
>> human faeces (only).  Notionally, these should probably be tagged 
>> amenity=waste_basket + waste=human_excrement by analogy to dog bins, 
>> but this doesn't seem to exist at the moment.  What's the best way to 
>> tag this very useful amenity (for wild campers at least)?
>
> The nearest equivalent that comes to mind is pump-outs for motor homes 
> and boats (e.g. Canal & River Trust elsan disposal points) which are 
> for (ahem) unpackaged liquid effluent:
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway=sanitary_dump_station
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Toilet_Holding_Tank_Disposal
>
> ISTR there was a move to make some of these tags less specific using 
> amenity=waste_disposal, but as you suggest the wiki doesn't show an 
> obvious type.
>
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:waste
>
> After a quick look, global taginfo does show 11x objects tagged with 
> waste=excrement, but 93x with waste=excrements. A quick 
> https://overpass-turbo.eu/ query suggests one is a German site that 
> might actually be man_made=wastewater_plant, but others just appear to 
> be dog bins.
>
> As you're tagging amenity=waste_basket there shouldn't be a confusion 
> with mobile pump-outs, but waste=human_excrement would avoid any 
> confusion with a dog waste bin.
>
>
> James