[Talk-GB] Tagging historic surface mining/streamworks

[ael]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 10:37:38PM +0100, Tom Crocker wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021, 20:46 ael, <witwall3 at disroot.org> wrote:
> 
> > <snip>
> > I did something similar at one point.
> >
> I was just trying to see what could be done with the approved tags. I'd
> prefer it if that was landuse=mining as that's a use while mine is a thing.
> Also, it's worth noting that the wiki page for that and landuse=quarry seem

My problem with landuse=mining is that is not the present use.
landuse=disturbed does describe the present situation, although
I think neither of us is very comfortable with "landuse" here.
In many cases there is some "landuse" of free ranging sheep, pony
and cattle grazing, so that mutually exclusive with a single valued
landuse.

> to suggest they are not the British-English uses of the term and quarry is
> any open-cast mining - I wonder if this is part of the problem that
> resulted in the retagging?

Indeed. I suppose that someone, maybe me, should modify that wiki page.
But I do think it is at the very least impolite to retag withiout
consultation or survey.
> 
> If you did come up with a new tag, it might be worth considering whether
> hushes would fall under it, as they seem quite similar to my mind and are
> the thing I'm more familiar with from the North East (but also having never
> heard of a streamwork before - perhaps they're very different).

I had to look up hushing. It does look very similar. If we can find
a decent tag, I guess it should cover both stream works and hushes.
My impression is that hushes are usually rather larger than the typical
streamworks. (Gonamena streamworks is exceptionally large.)

How were/are hushes tagged? I see a few streams with names including
hush, but no hush areas.

At one time, I thought that this might come under a broad heading of
opencast mining. I see an abandoned man_made=surface_mine proposal on
the wiki. I can see abandoned:man_made=surface_mine with perhaps
a subtag might be an option.

> fell foul of the edit. I also wondered if you could map out some of the
> features like earth banks or gullies that it looks are at Gonamena and
> whether that would go some way toward what you're trying to achieve?

Maybe. Much of it is private land and inaccessible for a survey.

ael