[Talk-GB] Electric kick scooters- Was: External data on bike rental locations

[Edward Catmur]

On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 13:43, Steven Hirschorn <steven.hirschorn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've been using amenity=escooter_rental in the absence of an agreed tag -
> internally consistent so that they can be replaced with an agreed
> alternative when/if one is agreed upon. taginfo didn't show any clear
> front-runners when I last looked.
>
> The escooters, unlike the dockless bikes and ebikes, are expected to be
> returned to designated locations, so I think it would be really useful to
> see a map of those locations in one place to plan journeys (no point riding
> them towards a destination with no approved return locations). I'm aware
> though that unapproved tags won't be rendered yet.
>

Wiki has "amenity=kick-scooter_rental" (note mixed punctuation):
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dkick-scooter_rental

This seems to include e-scooter rental - certainly both the photos
currently shown on wiki are of e-scooter bays.

nb. "unlike the dockless bikes and ebikes" - in the City at least, dockless
schemes are required to use designated return locations. I'm aware it's a
bit sui generis, but I'd expect other LAs to have at least an aspiration to
the same policy?


On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 13:14, David Groom <reviews at pacific-rim.net> wrote:
>
>> Just wondering how people are adding locations for electric kick scooter
>> rental.  There are a number of pages on the wiki, some in "proposal stage",
>> and others which just seem to have been added ( see
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricScooters#Ambiguous_current_situation_with_.27Scooters.27
>> for some examples) with no final consensus.
>>
>> I'm aware of the 607 nodes added by CJ Malone for the Beryl bike scheme (
>> Isle of Wight area added in
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/103830110  but the nodes have no
>> tag to show that these are electric kick scooters.
>>
>> It would seem beneficial to add some information to these nodes to show
>> they were for hire of electric kick scooters, and it would seem sensible to
>> have a consensus of how these should be mapped in the UK.  If at a later
>> stage the worldwide OSM community does standardise on how they should be
>> tagged then anything we do now should at least enable us to quickly
>> identify which nodes in the UK would need amending to bring into line with
>> intentional mapping practice.
>>
>> David
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Cj Malone" <me-osm-talk-gb at keepawayfromfire.co.uk>
>> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>> Sent: 21/04/2021 14:22:00
>> Subject: [Talk-GB] External data on bike rental locations
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> I have just been given some data from beryl.cc for including in OSM.
>> They operate a bike rental scheme in a few locations around the
>> county. (BCP, Hereford, Isle of Wight, Norwich and Watford)
>>
>> The data provided includes "Beryl Bays" that are places that you
>> collect a bike, or leave it. And "Service Areas" which are the areas
>> you can travel on the bikes.
>>
>> How would everyone feel about me adding them?
>>
>> I feel the rental locations clearly belong in OSM.
>> The service areas may be more questionable, but I think it's valuable
>> data. Looking at the wiki they are quite close to
>> public_transport=pay_scale_area, although it doesn't have much usage.
>>
>> What are everyones opinions?
>>
>> Cj
>> OSM UK
>>
>>
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