[Talk-GB] Electric kick scooters- Was: External data on bike rental locations

[Edward Bainton]

> in the City at least, dockless schemes are required to use designated
return locations. <snip>
> I'd expect other LAs to have at least an aspiration to the same policy?
Peterborough does: the (dockless) return areas are designated in the app
but have no on-the-ground infrastructure.



On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 16:08, Edward Catmur via Talk-GB <
talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 13:43, Steven Hirschorn <
> steven.hirschorn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been using amenity=escooter_rental in the absence of an agreed tag -
>> internally consistent so that they can be replaced with an agreed
>> alternative when/if one is agreed upon. taginfo didn't show any clear
>> front-runners when I last looked.
>>
>> The escooters, unlike the dockless bikes and ebikes, are expected to be
>> returned to designated locations, so I think it would be really useful to
>> see a map of those locations in one place to plan journeys (no point riding
>> them towards a destination with no approved return locations). I'm aware
>> though that unapproved tags won't be rendered yet.
>>
>
> Wiki has "amenity=kick-scooter_rental" (note mixed punctuation):
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dkick-scooter_rental
>
> This seems to include e-scooter rental - certainly both the photos
> currently shown on wiki are of e-scooter bays.
>
> nb. "unlike the dockless bikes and ebikes" - in the City at least,
> dockless schemes are required to use designated return locations. I'm aware
> it's a bit sui generis, but I'd expect other LAs to have at least an
> aspiration to the same policy?
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Sept 2021 at 13:14, David Groom <reviews at pacific-rim.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just wondering how people are adding locations for electric kick scooter
>>> rental.  There are a number of pages on the wiki, some in "proposal stage",
>>> and others which just seem to have been added ( see
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/ElectricScooters#Ambiguous_current_situation_with_.27Scooters.27
>>> for some examples) with no final consensus.
>>>
>>> I'm aware of the 607 nodes added by CJ Malone for the Beryl bike scheme
>>> ( Isle of Wight area added in
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/103830110  but the nodes have
>>> no tag to show that these are electric kick scooters.
>>>
>>> It would seem beneficial to add some information to these nodes to show
>>> they were for hire of electric kick scooters, and it would seem sensible to
>>> have a consensus of how these should be mapped in the UK.  If at a later
>>> stage the worldwide OSM community does standardise on how they should be
>>> tagged then anything we do now should at least enable us to quickly
>>> identify which nodes in the UK would need amending to bring into line with
>>> intentional mapping practice.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Cj Malone" <me-osm-talk-gb at keepawayfromfire.co.uk>
>>> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
>>> Sent: 21/04/2021 14:22:00
>>> Subject: [Talk-GB] External data on bike rental locations
>>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> I have just been given some data from beryl.cc for including in OSM.
>>> They operate a bike rental scheme in a few locations around the
>>> county. (BCP, Hereford, Isle of Wight, Norwich and Watford)
>>>
>>> The data provided includes "Beryl Bays" that are places that you
>>> collect a bike, or leave it. And "Service Areas" which are the areas
>>> you can travel on the bikes.
>>>
>>> How would everyone feel about me adding them?
>>>
>>> I feel the rental locations clearly belong in OSM.
>>> The service areas may be more questionable, but I think it's valuable
>>> data. Looking at the wiki they are quite close to
>>> public_transport=pay_scale_area, although it doesn't have much usage.
>>>
>>> What are everyones opinions?
>>>
>>> Cj
>>> OSM UK
>>>
>>>
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