[Talk-GB] Tagging a shop that is both a branded shop and a Post Office

[Chris Hodges]

Similarly at my local Nisa 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/426680600#map=21/51.52788/-2.47118 
many postal services are provided at the shop tills by the shop staff, 
though there's a secure counter with shorter hours for some things.  
There the PO is a node inside the shop outline.  That allows for 
different opening hours to be specified, but that might not be a perfect 
match to reality given what I've just said. Hours are useful, but I 
doubt many end users even know OSM has them, let alone know how to 
access them so I don't see it as a major problem.


A big WHSmith, at least the one in Cardiff, tends to treat the PO as an 
instore concession, with the need to pay for different things in 
different places. Again the hours may differ.


Chris



On 14/09/2021 02:18, SK53 wrote:
> This is a very recent innovation: the standard approach in the UK has 
> always been amenity=post_office and shop=* (more or less exactly why 
> different keys are used). I see no advantage in this somewhat more 
> obscure approach, which was apparently adopted with no knowledge that 
> the situation had been tagged perfectly adequately since the early 
> days of OSM.
>
> I vaguely recall that some of the post_partner use cases are not 
> analagous to the sub post office. Also, at least in Switzerland, post 
> offices located in shops are very recent compared with the UK (I can't 
> recall any 15 years ago).
>
> In larger shops, as others have said the post office can be mapped 
> separately. However, if one does not have the time to check inside, 
> the two tags on a single node or way is still appropriate (WH Smith in 
> Chester is one I mapped this way).
>
> In terms of iD this means entering the tags directly, and will create 
> some notional ambiguity with respect to use if brand tags. However, 
> this latter situation is encountered elsewhere (Burtons/Dorothy 
> Perkins; Top Shop/Top Man, various iterations of Dixons Stores Group 
> plc fascias etc.) In the past Bryan and other iD maintainers have 
> stated that design goals have been simplicity and ease of use for 
> inexperienced users and have therefore not felt the need to handle 
> this type of situation. However, in an unmapped area post offices are 
> likely to be amongst the first POIs to be mapped.
>
> BTW: my local sub-post office has always had a single counter, divided 
> in two with separate tills (the post office side takes cards, the 
> convenience store side doesn't). Most of the time there is only one 
> person serving. When I was a child, and when post offices were thicker 
> on the ground, this latter aspect was pretty much the norm. The 
> counters were perhaps more distinct, and cage like: the cash aspect of 
> post offices always represents a security problem, and on days when 
> people collected pension or family allowance more so. This surely also 
> required more than one person at these busy times, particularly as the 
> shop side probably sold sweets by weight as well.
>
> Jerry
>
> On Mon, 13 Sep 2021, 22:36 Martin Wynne, <martin at 85a.uk 
> <mailto:martin at 85a.uk>> wrote:
>
>     On 13/09/2021 21:51, Mark Goodge wrote:
>
>     > This must, surely, be a fairly common occurrence for sub-Post
>     Offices.
>     > How is this sort of situation normally tagged?
>
>     According to the wiki, this situation is covered as
>
>     name=Spar
>     post_office=post_partner
>
>     https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpost_office
>     <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpost_office>
>
>     Martin.
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