[Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active

Thu Sep 30 09:32:31 UTC 2021

I've uploaded the photo and it's clear it is actually a bus stand
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:42_Hertford_Road,_London.jpg

Now how do I tag this as a bus stand? I can't see anything in the wiki
under https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dbus_stop or
anywhere else

On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 15:01, <talk-gb-request at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>    1. Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (Mat Attlee)
>    2. Re: Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (David Woolley)
>    3. Re: Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (Martin Wynne)
>    4. Re: Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (Russ Garrett)
>    5. Re: Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (Ken Kilfedder)
>    6. Re: Unwarranted clearing of map notes by new person (Tom Hughes)
>    7. Re: Unwarranted clearing of map notes by new person (Tony Shield)
>    8. Re: Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active (Mat Attlee)
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:18:28 +0100
> From: Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com>
> To: Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> The other day I stumbled upon an unmapped bus stop which I've added to the
> map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017
>
> I am trying to find more details about the stop but it doesn't seem to be
> listed on TFL, is it possible it's no longer in use?
>
> I took a photo of the stop and there is nothing saying it is closed though
> the stop does say: buses do not pick up passengers here
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> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:44:17 +0100
> From: David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> On 27/09/2021 12:18, Mat Attlee wrote:
> > The other day I stumbled upon an unmapped bus stop which I've added to
> > the map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017
> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017>
> >
> > I am trying to find more details about the stop but it doesn't seem to
> > be listed on TFL, is it possible it's no longer in use?
> >
>
> Are you sure that it is actually a stop and not a stand
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_stand>?  The only reference to the
> latter that I can find in the OSM wiki is a passing one about excluding
> them from routes
> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_London>.  They really
> need to positively identified, as they need to be mapped, if only to
> stop people mapping them as stops.
>
> Please double check your photo.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 12:54:00 +0100
> From: Martin Wynne <martin at 85a.uk>
> To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> On 27/09/2021 12:18, Mat Attlee wrote:
>
> > I took a photo of the stop and there is nothing saying it is closed
> > though the stop does say: buses do not pick up passengers here
> >
>
> It's outside a school so presumably for school buses only?
>
> Martin.
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:00:58 +0100
> From: Russ Garrett <russ at garrett.co.uk>
> To: David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk>
> Cc: Talk GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> Yes, it sounds likely that it's a stand.
>
> It doesn't appear in NaPTAN which is a relatively authoritative source
> for bus stops.
>
> Russ
>
> On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 12:51, David Woolley <forums at david-woolley.me.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > On 27/09/2021 12:18, Mat Attlee wrote:
> > > The other day I stumbled upon an unmapped bus stop which I've added to
> > > the map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017
> > > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017>
> > >
> > > I am trying to find more details about the stop but it doesn't seem to
> > > be listed on TFL, is it possible it's no longer in use?
> > >
> >
> > Are you sure that it is actually a stop and not a stand
> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_stand>?  The only reference to the
> > latter that I can find in the OSM wiki is a passing one about excluding
> > them from routes
> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bus_routes_in_London>.  They really
> > need to positively identified, as they need to be mapped, if only to
> > stop people mapping them as stops.
> >
> > Please double check your photo.
> >
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> russ at garrett.co.uk
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> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:09:47 +0100
> From: "Ken Kilfedder" <spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk>
> To: "Dave F via Talk-GB" <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> A certain inadmissible street-side imagery source shows it as a TfL-owned
> bus stand, with this text on it-
>
> Bus Stand
> Buses do not pick up passengers here
> Hereford Road
> Drivers must switch off engines whilst on stand
>
>
> ---
> https://hdyc.neis-one.org/?spiregrain
> spiregrain_osm at ksglp.org.uk
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2021, at 12:18 PM, Mat Attlee wrote:
> > The other day I stumbled upon an unmapped bus stop which I've added to
> the map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017
> >
> > I am trying to find more details about the stop but it doesn't seem to
> be listed on TFL, is it possible it's no longer in use?
> >
> > I took a photo of the stop and there is nothing saying it is closed
> though the stop does say: buses do not pick up passengers here
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:22:30 +0100
> From: Tom Hughes <tom at compton.nu>
> To: Tony Shield <tonyosm9 at gmail.com>, Talk GB
>         <Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Unwarranted clearing of map notes by new person
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> On 27/09/2021 11:06, Tony Shield wrote:
>
> > *Shane Sharples* <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shane%20Sharples>
> > has resolved one of your map notes near Golden Hill, Leyland, South
> > Ribble, Lancashire, North West England, England, PR25 3UA, United
> Kingdom.
> >
> > More details about the note can be found at
> > https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2678449
> > <https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2678449>.
> >
> >
> > On checking it I found no edits to the map, I also noted that 7 or so
> > other edits in Leyland had been resolved by this user. This user only
> > joined OSM on 25 September - 2 days ago -? and has no edits to his name.
> >
> > I don't know how to undo his resolves, I would like those notes back so
> > that I can survey them when I have time or someone edits the map to fix.
>
> I've been in contact with him and I think he was just confused.
>
> I think he had the notes layer turned on and thought that the green
> tick meant something was a published listing so was resolving things
> in order to "publish" them.
>
> Tom
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> http://compton.nu/
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 13:57:38 +0100
> From: Tony Shield <tonyosm9 at gmail.com>
> To: Tom Hughes <tom at compton.nu>, Talk GB <Talk-GB at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Unwarranted clearing of map notes by new person
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> Thanks Tom,
>
> I've also been in contact and have just edited/updated the map with the
> two points of interest.
>
> Tony
>
> On 27/09/2021 13:22, Tom Hughes wrote:
> > On 27/09/2021 11:06, Tony Shield wrote:
> >
> >> *Shane Sharples*
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Shane%20Sharples> has resolved
> >> one of your map notes near Golden Hill, Leyland, South Ribble,
> >> Lancashire, North West England, England, PR25 3UA, United Kingdom.
> >>
> >> More details about the note can be found at
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2678449
> >> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/2678449>.
> >>
> >>
> >> On checking it I found no edits to the map, I also noted that 7 or so
> >> other edits in Leyland had been resolved by this user. This user only
> >> joined OSM on 25 September - 2 days ago -? and has no edits to his name.
> >>
> >> I don't know how to undo his resolves, I would like those notes back
> >> so that I can survey them when I have time or someone edits the map
> >> to fix.
> >
> > I've been in contact with him and I think he was just confused.
> >
> > I think he had the notes layer turned on and thought that the green
> > tick meant something was a published listing so was resolving things
> > in order to "publish" them.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:57:22 +0100
> From: Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com>
> To: Talk-GB <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Finding out if a TFL bus stop is still active
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> Thank you everyone for the feedback. Checking my photo (what is the best
> way to share a photo with the list?) I can confirm it is just a bus stand
> though how does one tag a stand? I can't find any examples of this in the
> wiki
>
> On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 12:18, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The other day I stumbled upon an unmapped bus stop which I've added to
> the
> > map: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9126413017
> >
> > I am trying to find more details about the stop but it doesn't seem to be
> > listed on TFL, is it possible it's no longer in use?
> >
> > I took a photo of the stop and there is nothing saying it is closed
> though
> > the stop does say: buses do not pick up passengers here
> >
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