[Talk-GB] Shoulders

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2022-04-13 at 19:37 +0100, Tom Crocker wrote:
> It asks:
> Does this road have a shoulder?
> A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency stopping lane that
> allows vehicles to stop safely completely beside the traffic lane,
> although not always (fully) on paved surface.

In UK terms I would disagree with the final part, about not always a
paved surface.

An important part of the function of a hard shoulder is that vehicles
can slow dow outside the running lanes and when leaving can accellerate
to a safe speed to safely rejoin the live lanes. Here you will be
joining the live lanes at little over walking pace.

The other important function of a hard shoulder is as an emergency lane
for the emergency services to pass stationary traffic, this totally
fails that requirement.

Phil (trigpoint)



> 
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 19:22 Philip Barnes, <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> wrote:
> > Hi Chris
> > The shoulder quest is not available in my version of Streetcomplete
> > so I cannot see what information it is being provided and what
> > guidance is being given. F-Droid does lag sometimes.
> > 
> > Phil (trigpoint)
> > 
> > On Wednesday, 13 April 2022, Chris Andrew wrote:
> > > Hi, Phil.
> > > 
> > > I use StreetComplete a lot, for 'micro editing' (my words). I've
> > > steered
> > > clear of the 'Shoulder' quest, for this very reason. I hadn't
> > > though about
> > > it enough, but a request probably needs registering with Tobias
> > > (developer), to see whether this can be clarified.
> > > 
> > > Hope this helps.
> > > 
> > > Chris
> > > chris_debian
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 18:07 Philip Barnes, <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > A streetcomplete mapper has been adding shoulders to various
> > > > Trunk
> > > > 70mph expressways.
> > > > 
> > > > I have always considered a shoulder to be wide enough for a car
> > > > to get
> > > > off the road and my views are reflected in the wikipage.
> > > > 
> > > > One of the sections they have tagged is
> > > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740
> > > > 
> > > > Where I would consider the with to be well less than a metre
> > > > wide.
> > > > 
> > > > Maybe if a width was added it may be ok, but what do others
> > > > think?
> > > > 
> > > > Phil (trigpoint)
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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