[Talk-GB] Shoulders

[Michael Collinson]

Note that there seems to be a bit of a disconnect between what GB 
mappers would expect of a "shoulder" - you can definitely get a typical 
4-wheeled vehicle completely off the road -  and a less rigorous 
definition elsewhere in the world - yes, there is some road between a 
white painted line and the verge but we don't guarentee how much and it 
may not be asphalted.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:shoulder

The wiki entry, IMHO, is mostly written for the GB usage but not 
entirely, for example the sentence " Furthermore, cyclists and hikers 
may find it useful to know which rural main roads have neither a 
sidepath nor a shoulder so that they can avoid it."  In Sweden, roads 
can have have a variable width shoulder which is very nice to know about 
as a cyclist but may reduce to a metre (or less!) with a crash barrier 
preventing access to the verge.

Andrew Harvey of Australia is probably thinking the same when he 
commented 'I  think giving users an option answer "a narrow shoulders 
exists, that bicycles can use but a car can't fit" would also help 
reduce the mis-tagging.'

https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962


Mike

On 2022-04-14 05:11, 10992 via Talk-GB wrote:
>
>     Does this road have a shoulder?
>
>     A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency stopping lane that
>     allows vehicles to stop safely completely beside the traffic lane,
>     although not always (fully) on paved surface.
>
>
> That text could definitely do with improving, I think ("completely 
> beside"?, "on *a* paved surface").
>
> See the issue at 
> https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3962.
>
> 10992
>
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Wednesday, April 13th, 2022 at 19:37, Tom Crocker 
> <tomcrockermail at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It asks:
>> Does this road have a shoulder?
>> A shoulder is a clearly demarcated emergency stopping lane that 
>> allows vehicles to stop safely completely beside the traffic lane, 
>> although not always (fully) on paved surface.
>>
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 19:22 Philip Barnes, <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Chris
>>     The shoulder quest is not available in my version of
>>     Streetcomplete so I cannot see what information it is being
>>     provided and what guidance is being given. F-Droid does lag
>>     sometimes.
>>
>>     Phil (trigpoint)
>>
>>     On Wednesday, 13 April 2022, Chris Andrew wrote:
>>     > Hi, Phil.
>>     >
>>     > I use StreetComplete a lot, for 'micro editing' (my words).
>>     I've steered
>>     > clear of the 'Shoulder' quest, for this very reason. I hadn't
>>     though about
>>     > it enough, but a request probably needs registering with Tobias
>>     > (developer), to see whether this can be clarified.
>>     >
>>     > Hope this helps.
>>     >
>>     > Chris
>>     > chris_debian
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Wed, 13 Apr 2022, 18:07 Philip Barnes,
>>     <phil at trigpoint.me.uk> wrote:
>>     >
>>     > > A streetcomplete mapper has been adding shoulders to various
>>     Trunk
>>     > > 70mph expressways.
>>     > >
>>     > > I have always considered a shoulder to be wide enough for a
>>     car to get
>>     > > off the road and my views are reflected in the wikipage.
>>     > >
>>     > > One of the sections they have tagged is
>>     > > https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=401380041319740
>>     > >
>>     > > Where I would consider the with to be well less than a metre
>>     wide.
>>     > >
>>     > > Maybe if a width was added it may be ok, but what do others
>>     think?
>>     > >
>>     > > Phil (trigpoint)
>>     > >
>>     > >
>>     > >
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