[Talk-GB] Cycle hire parking

[Mat Attlee]

Interestingly enough someone was asking on Twitter if there is a map of the
cycle hire parking spots
https://twitter.com/StokeyUpdates/status/1558352738974633985

I continue to map them as follows when I find them, though I wonder what
the operator should be - perhaps the council that installed them? I believe
they are intended for the HumanForest and Lime dockless bicycles

amenity=bicycle_rental
bicycle_rental=dropoff_point
description=Cycle hire parking

On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 16:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree that they should be tagged for their intended purpose, which is a
> place where people can drop off a dockless bicycle. As I find them I've
> been tagging it as a bicycle_rental=dropoff_point and leaving a note that
> it is cycle hire parking eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9923011317
>
> I imagine part of the reason that the cycle hire parking is so under
> utilised is because aside from the sign it's not easy to differentiate from
> standard bicycle parking stands, which arguably is all the more reason to
> tag it differently.
>
>
> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 11:03, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 17:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Any further thoughts on this? Does anyone have any contacts with the
>> London councils regarding the specific and intent purpose of the cycle hire
>> parking? It is my understanding the council wants people to leave dockless
>> rental bicycles at these locations to not clutter the pavement, in which
>> case there is an argument to tag it as a drop off point.
>> >
>> > I've also started a thread on the community forum
>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/cycle-hire-parking/1984
>>
>> I would try to avoid any "oh no it isn't" tagging. So I think not
>> amenity=bicycle_parking, in my opinion, since if you turned up there
>> with your own bike, you'd be disappointed to find that it's not
>> (intended) for use as regular bike parking.
>>
>> For amenity=bicycle_rental I guess that's appropriate, since all these
>> may or may not have bikes available. I'm not sure what
>> "bicycle_rental=dropoff_point" implies, since what's shown here isn't
>> substantially different from how a normal bike rental point operates
>> (e.g. Santander bikes) - there's spaces for bikes, there might be some
>> to hire, there might be space to dropoff, if a bike is dropped off you
>> can subsequently rent it. Aside from dockless schemes, I've used
>> non-dockless bike rental in other cities (e.g. Wavelo in Krakow) where
>> the dock locations were just bits of bent metal to attach the bikes
>> to, the bikes had all the gubbins including a built-in d-lock, so
>> what's pictured here is functionally the same as those.
>>
>> Of course, there can be a case made that if these are in a borough
>> which has no active bike hire schemes, then they are disused!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Andy
>>
>
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