[Talk-GB] Cycle hire parking

[Mat Attlee]

So it turns out that Hackney Council has a map of locations of corrals in
Hackney and it corresponds with the ones I've found on my surveys
https://hackney.gov.uk/bike-sharing

Is it possible to work with Hackney Council to import their data or easier
to survey on the ground?

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, 12:31 pm Mat Attlee, <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interestingly enough someone was asking on Twitter if there is a map of
> the cycle hire parking spots
> https://twitter.com/StokeyUpdates/status/1558352738974633985
>
> I continue to map them as follows when I find them, though I wonder what
> the operator should be - perhaps the council that installed them? I believe
> they are intended for the HumanForest and Lime dockless bicycles
>
> amenity=bicycle_rental
> bicycle_rental=dropoff_point
> description=Cycle hire parking
>
> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 16:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree that they should be tagged for their intended purpose, which is a
>> place where people can drop off a dockless bicycle. As I find them I've
>> been tagging it as a bicycle_rental=dropoff_point and leaving a note that
>> it is cycle hire parking eg https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9923011317
>>
>> I imagine part of the reason that the cycle hire parking is so under
>> utilised is because aside from the sign it's not easy to differentiate from
>> standard bicycle parking stands, which arguably is all the more reason to
>> tag it differently.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 11:03, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 17:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Any further thoughts on this? Does anyone have any contacts with the
>>> London councils regarding the specific and intent purpose of the cycle hire
>>> parking? It is my understanding the council wants people to leave dockless
>>> rental bicycles at these locations to not clutter the pavement, in which
>>> case there is an argument to tag it as a drop off point.
>>> >
>>> > I've also started a thread on the community forum
>>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/cycle-hire-parking/1984
>>>
>>> I would try to avoid any "oh no it isn't" tagging. So I think not
>>> amenity=bicycle_parking, in my opinion, since if you turned up there
>>> with your own bike, you'd be disappointed to find that it's not
>>> (intended) for use as regular bike parking.
>>>
>>> For amenity=bicycle_rental I guess that's appropriate, since all these
>>> may or may not have bikes available. I'm not sure what
>>> "bicycle_rental=dropoff_point" implies, since what's shown here isn't
>>> substantially different from how a normal bike rental point operates
>>> (e.g. Santander bikes) - there's spaces for bikes, there might be some
>>> to hire, there might be space to dropoff, if a bike is dropped off you
>>> can subsequently rent it. Aside from dockless schemes, I've used
>>> non-dockless bike rental in other cities (e.g. Wavelo in Krakow) where
>>> the dock locations were just bits of bent metal to attach the bikes
>>> to, the bikes had all the gubbins including a built-in d-lock, so
>>> what's pictured here is functionally the same as those.
>>>
>>> Of course, there can be a case made that if these are in a borough
>>> which has no active bike hire schemes, then they are disused!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Andy
>>>
>>
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