[Talk-GB] Cycle hire parking

[Steven Hirschorn]

I've found in the past that it's difficult to establish if the original geo
co-ordinates came from a Google Map. If they did, they are license tainted,
I believe. Please do email them and ask though. Where I've been unable to
establish license compatibility in the past, I've stuck an OSM note in the
approximate position and asked someone to survey locally.
I spent some time trying to get the details of Cyclehoop hangars and Source
London charging points and both fell at this hurdle.

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 16:05, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:

> So it turns out that Hackney Council has a map of locations of corrals in
> Hackney and it corresponds with the ones I've found on my surveys
> https://hackney.gov.uk/bike-sharing
>
> Is it possible to work with Hackney Council to import their data or easier
> to survey on the ground?
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, 12:31 pm Mat Attlee, <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Interestingly enough someone was asking on Twitter if there is a map of
>> the cycle hire parking spots
>> https://twitter.com/StokeyUpdates/status/1558352738974633985
>>
>> I continue to map them as follows when I find them, though I wonder what
>> the operator should be - perhaps the council that installed them? I believe
>> they are intended for the HumanForest and Lime dockless bicycles
>>
>> amenity=bicycle_rental
>> bicycle_rental=dropoff_point
>> description=Cycle hire parking
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 16:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree that they should be tagged for their intended purpose, which is
>>> a place where people can drop off a dockless bicycle. As I find them I've
>>> been tagging it as a bicycle_rental=dropoff_point and leaving a note that
>>> it is cycle hire parking eg
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9923011317
>>>
>>> I imagine part of the reason that the cycle hire parking is so under
>>> utilised is because aside from the sign it's not easy to differentiate from
>>> standard bicycle parking stands, which arguably is all the more reason to
>>> tag it differently.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 11:03, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 17:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Any further thoughts on this? Does anyone have any contacts with the
>>>> London councils regarding the specific and intent purpose of the cycle hire
>>>> parking? It is my understanding the council wants people to leave dockless
>>>> rental bicycles at these locations to not clutter the pavement, in which
>>>> case there is an argument to tag it as a drop off point.
>>>> >
>>>> > I've also started a thread on the community forum
>>>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/cycle-hire-parking/1984
>>>>
>>>> I would try to avoid any "oh no it isn't" tagging. So I think not
>>>> amenity=bicycle_parking, in my opinion, since if you turned up there
>>>> with your own bike, you'd be disappointed to find that it's not
>>>> (intended) for use as regular bike parking.
>>>>
>>>> For amenity=bicycle_rental I guess that's appropriate, since all these
>>>> may or may not have bikes available. I'm not sure what
>>>> "bicycle_rental=dropoff_point" implies, since what's shown here isn't
>>>> substantially different from how a normal bike rental point operates
>>>> (e.g. Santander bikes) - there's spaces for bikes, there might be some
>>>> to hire, there might be space to dropoff, if a bike is dropped off you
>>>> can subsequently rent it. Aside from dockless schemes, I've used
>>>> non-dockless bike rental in other cities (e.g. Wavelo in Krakow) where
>>>> the dock locations were just bits of bent metal to attach the bikes
>>>> to, the bikes had all the gubbins including a built-in d-lock, so
>>>> what's pictured here is functionally the same as those.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, there can be a case made that if these are in a borough
>>>> which has no active bike hire schemes, then they are disused!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Andy
>>>>
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