[Talk-GB] Cycle hire parking

[Steven Hirschorn]

Having said that, I just looked at the link and they're showing the
locations on a Leaflet OSM map, which would already be a breach of the
licence if the geopoints were generated via Google, I think, so maybe they
can be imported?

On Tue, 16 Aug 2022, 16:12 Steven Hirschorn, <steven.hirschorn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I've found in the past that it's difficult to establish if the original
> geo co-ordinates came from a Google Map. If they did, they are license
> tainted, I believe. Please do email them and ask though. Where I've been
> unable to establish license compatibility in the past, I've stuck an OSM
> note in the approximate position and asked someone to survey locally.
> I spent some time trying to get the details of Cyclehoop hangars and
> Source London charging points and both fell at this hurdle.
>
> On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 16:05, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> So it turns out that Hackney Council has a map of locations of corrals in
>> Hackney and it corresponds with the ones I've found on my surveys
>> https://hackney.gov.uk/bike-sharing
>>
>> Is it possible to work with Hackney Council to import their data or
>> easier to survey on the ground?
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022, 12:31 pm Mat Attlee, <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Interestingly enough someone was asking on Twitter if there is a map of
>>> the cycle hire parking spots
>>> https://twitter.com/StokeyUpdates/status/1558352738974633985
>>>
>>> I continue to map them as follows when I find them, though I wonder what
>>> the operator should be - perhaps the council that installed them? I believe
>>> they are intended for the HumanForest and Lime dockless bicycles
>>>
>>> amenity=bicycle_rental
>>> bicycle_rental=dropoff_point
>>> description=Cycle hire parking
>>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2022 at 16:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that they should be tagged for their intended purpose, which is
>>>> a place where people can drop off a dockless bicycle. As I find them I've
>>>> been tagging it as a bicycle_rental=dropoff_point and leaving a note that
>>>> it is cycle hire parking eg
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/9923011317
>>>>
>>>> I imagine part of the reason that the cycle hire parking is so under
>>>> utilised is because aside from the sign it's not easy to differentiate from
>>>> standard bicycle parking stands, which arguably is all the more reason to
>>>> tag it differently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 at 11:03, Andy Allan <gravitystorm at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 at 17:49, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Any further thoughts on this? Does anyone have any contacts with the
>>>>> London councils regarding the specific and intent purpose of the cycle hire
>>>>> parking? It is my understanding the council wants people to leave dockless
>>>>> rental bicycles at these locations to not clutter the pavement, in which
>>>>> case there is an argument to tag it as a drop off point.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I've also started a thread on the community forum
>>>>> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/cycle-hire-parking/1984
>>>>>
>>>>> I would try to avoid any "oh no it isn't" tagging. So I think not
>>>>> amenity=bicycle_parking, in my opinion, since if you turned up there
>>>>> with your own bike, you'd be disappointed to find that it's not
>>>>> (intended) for use as regular bike parking.
>>>>>
>>>>> For amenity=bicycle_rental I guess that's appropriate, since all these
>>>>> may or may not have bikes available. I'm not sure what
>>>>> "bicycle_rental=dropoff_point" implies, since what's shown here isn't
>>>>> substantially different from how a normal bike rental point operates
>>>>> (e.g. Santander bikes) - there's spaces for bikes, there might be some
>>>>> to hire, there might be space to dropoff, if a bike is dropped off you
>>>>> can subsequently rent it. Aside from dockless schemes, I've used
>>>>> non-dockless bike rental in other cities (e.g. Wavelo in Krakow) where
>>>>> the dock locations were just bits of bent metal to attach the bikes
>>>>> to, the bikes had all the gubbins including a built-in d-lock, so
>>>>> what's pictured here is functionally the same as those.
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course, there can be a case made that if these are in a borough
>>>>> which has no active bike hire schemes, then they are disused!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
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