[Talk-GB] Pavements (footways/sidewalks) mapped as pedestrian areas AND footways

[Edward Catmur]

Apparently the only thing preventing area:highway=footway being used is the
renderer. iD supports it ("Footway Area" preset). The feature request is
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/180 but I can't
see from that what's blocking it being implemented.

On Mon, 26 Dec 2022 at 17:21, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <
talk-gb at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> We already have area:highway=footway for marking areas of
> footways/sidewalks
> where it is not a pedestrian square.
>
> People are often mistagging asidewalks/footways tagged as areas as
> pedestrian squares
> to force rendering.
>
> (
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Mistagging_for_the_renderer
> )
>
>
> Dec 26, 2022, 14:37 by rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com:
>
> It's be happy to support anyone who wants to have a go at formalising a
> better tag for these cases. I can help you through the steps (e.g. wiki
> documentation, tag presets in ID and JOSM, etc). Be prepared for a long
> journey as these things take ages but if you're up for it, and willing to
> do the work, I can help from a coaching / mentoring point of view.
>
> Thanks
> Rob
>
> P.s. on your real world distinction go with street. The threshold for
> squares should be high (minimum: locals must refer to the square by some
> name)
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022, 13:21 Edward Catmur, <ecatmur at googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> In the real world, the distinction between pedestrian streets and squares
> is not so clear cut. Streets widen out and the boundary between a street
> and the square it leads into is often absent on the ground. Building
> footprints do not always cleanly delineate the edge of the street or plaza,
> since there can be setbacks and overhangs.
>
> If a different tag would be better, presumably the problem is that it
> isn't well known and or supported? Perhaps it would be better to allocate
> effort to sorting that out?
>
> On Mon, 26 Dec 2022, 13:46 Rob Nickerson, <rob.j.nickerson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I agree with Andy Townsend here. I believe that highway=pedestrian is a
> terribly misused tag. On the wiki the short description is "Roads mainly /
> exclusively for pedestrians". I therefore only use it for centrelines along
> pedestrianised streets or genuine squares.
>
> Using it as an area along a pedestrianised street is wrong in my opinion.
> Either use a tag like Andy suggested or don't map the area at all (mapping
> the buildings on either side and the Centreline of the pedestrianised
> street is sufficient).
>
> Using it as areas for pavements (as in this thread) is clearly wrong in my
> mind.
>
> Hope this helps
> Rob
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