[Talk-GB] Samuel Smith pubs - brand or operator?

[Andy Townsend]

On 13/01/2022 10:37, Paul Berry wrote:
> Hi Mat,
>
> Interesting question. Sam Smith's tend to be quiet, in terms of pub 
> frontage/signage, that they're the operator (though it's obvious once 
> you're inside) so I wouldn't say they "brand" their pubs. Contrast 
> with, say, Wetherspoons, who always appear to declare they're a 
> "Wetherspoons Free House" before you enter. Both are operators without 
> doubt, but are they both brands?
>
> Pubs and mapping seem to be soul mates in terms of interests so expect 
> some further discussion!
>
> Regards,
> /Paul/
>
> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 10:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com 
> <mailto:mattattlee at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     I've noticed that there isn't a NSI entry for Samuel Smith pubs so
>     I am going to create one but before I do, are they the brand or
>     operator? To date it has been tagged as the operator eg but wanted
>     to double check
>
>
Sam Smith's are the direct operator of all of their pubs (and it is 
arguably also the "brand", since they are pretty consistent outside as 
well as in*).  I believe that the last Sam Smith's pub not run directly 
by the brewery  was The Ebor in Bishopthorpe near York 
(https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/643438276 ), but when the previous 
landlord died (during the first Covid wave) it closed, and the word 
locally was that the company was looking for a manager.

Best Regards,

Andy

* this wasn't always the case - going back 20 years or so there were 
some that had a more tangential connection - I think that 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258325076/history was one.




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