[Talk-GB] Samuel Smith pubs - brand or operator?

[Michael Collinson]

As per Andy "Sam Smith's are the direct operator of all of their pubs" 
but in general perhaps care needs taking with pubs as they are 
frequently operated on a franchisee system, the operator is the landlord 
as a person or company not the beer provider IMHO. Cf petrol stations 
(look at the receipt) and buses (network=Metro but operator=First 
Accenture Ribena Stagecoach or whatever ever call themselves today).  
Brand is safer methinks.

Mike

On 13/1/22 10:09 pm, Andy Townsend wrote:
> On 13/01/2022 10:37, Paul Berry wrote:
>> Hi Mat,
>>
>> Interesting question. Sam Smith's tend to be quiet, in terms of pub 
>> frontage/signage, that they're the operator (though it's obvious once 
>> you're inside) so I wouldn't say they "brand" their pubs. Contrast 
>> with, say, Wetherspoons, who always appear to declare they're a 
>> "Wetherspoons Free House" before you enter. Both are operators 
>> without doubt, but are they both brands?
>>
>> Pubs and mapping seem to be soul mates in terms of interests so 
>> expect some further discussion!
>>
>> Regards,
>> /Paul/
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 at 10:24, Mat Attlee <mattattlee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>     I've noticed that there isn't a NSI entry for Samuel Smith pubs
>>     so I am going to create one but before I do, are they the brand
>>     or operator? To date it has been tagged as the operator eg but
>>     wanted to double check
>>
>>
> Sam Smith's are the direct operator of all of their pubs (and it is 
> arguably also the "brand", since they are pretty consistent outside as 
> well as in*).  I believe that the last Sam Smith's pub not run 
> directly by the brewery  was The Ebor in Bishopthorpe near York 
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/643438276 ), but when the previous 
> landlord died (during the first Covid wave) it closed, and the word 
> locally was that the company was looking for a manager.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
> * this wasn't always the case - going back 20 years or so there were 
> some that had a more tangential connection - I think that 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/258325076/history was one.
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