[Talk-GB] Tagging of roads with adjacent named terraces

[Ken Kilfedder]

I'm just about to do exactly this for Albion Terrace and "The Borders"  near this pin.  https://osm.org/go/euu~uBIfZ--?m=

I've also used this method in these locations:
 * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1012160784 (addr:street=St Stevens Parade & addr:parentstreet=Green Street)
 * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/870814205  (addr:street=Margery Park Terrace & addr:parentstreet=Margery Park Road)
 * https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/866374898 (addr:street=Berlin Terrace & addr:parentstreet=Janson Road)
I prefer this to the addr:substreet method (which I sure is good in some cases), because iwth addr:substreet, you end up with two addresses that are (e.g.)  addr:housenumber=1 & addr:street=Green Street; which I would consider to be an error and confusing to routers and address searches.

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On Sat, 7 May 2022, at 5:02 PM, Donald Noble wrote:
> I meant to add in my original email that it might be a solution (workaround?) to add the pavement* and tag that with the name of the adjacent building. I know this is not necessarily correct, but given there is a street sign on the building at either end of the pavement with the name Leopold Place, this might also stop people changing the tagging of the main road from London Road. I don't think this is just "tagging for the renderer", but tell me if you think otherwise. 
> 
> * note that there are already quite a few pavements maped in Edinburgh already, particularly on major streets like this, or Leith Walk which has similar issues.
> 
> Responding to Jerry, yes most of the addresses in Edinburgh are mapped as nodes, but the buildings are also split into closes (apartments) within the terrace, so that also prevents naming the whole terrace as a building.
> 
> Cheers, Donald
> 
> 
> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 16:33, SK53 <sk53.osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Clearly the road is called London Road, but I presume there are 'street signs' with the terrace name. name:left & name:right may be appropriate. I've only tended to use them when the street itself has no name, but each side has a name, so I don't have a firm opinion.
>> 
>> Naming the terraces themselves causes all sorts of problems once they get terraced (although I think addresses in Edinburgh are predominantly on entries/doors); so the use of addr:substreet or addr:parentstreet in the address does not actually resolve the issue that these have signage typical of street names, and consequently may confuse a mapper unfamiliar with this pattern. (Note the opposite occurs, houses on a named street, which could be a dependent street, but does not feature in the address).
>> 
>> Jerry
>> 
>> PS. I must write up official addresses on infill along one road near me: they are a right hodge-podge with some being dependent streets and others not.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, 7 May 2022 at 14:51, Donald Noble <drnoble at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if there is any consensus/guidance on tagging of streets with adjacent named buildings/terraces. There are quite a few of these in Scotland, and until now these have been tagged with the main name of the road, and name:left/name:right as appropriate for the building/terrace name.
>>> 
>>> Recently a mapper has changed a couple of these so the (minor) name appears on the map, and they do not appear to be local. Before reverting this, I just wanted to reach out to the wider community.
>>> 
>>> This road is called London Road, but the buildings to the north are called Leopold Place, see https://www.mapillary.com/app/?pKey=932836447528898 which shows both signs (although a bit blurry)
>>> GinaroZ left a note https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3087279 regarding 
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/116967047
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your thoughts on this,
>>> Cheers, Donald 
>>> 
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