[Talk-GB] Geovisio to OSM Workflow?

Fri Feb 17 21:11:24 UTC 2023

Thanks for the responses, Nick and Simon, it's good to hear about similar
projects.

You both commented on Geovisio. It looks to me like Geovisio is a storage
solution for geotagged imagery, to put it simply (for me).

Can anyone explain the 'capture' and 'exploitation' bits of the workflow.
By this I mean:

1. How does the contributor capture the imagery? (instead of Mapillary or
KartaView).

2. To which server would captured imagery then be uploaded, in order for
OSM users to use the imagery, to help improve OSM information?

As I say, it would be good to understand the end to end workflow, as this
could be a viable alternative to KartaView, whilst development struggles
and the solution isn't fully open source

Many thanks,

Chris

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>    1. Improving Street-Level Imagery Capture (was Improving the
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>    2. Re: Improving the Kartaview app. (Nick Whitelegg)
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> From: Chris Andrew <cjhandrew at gmail.com>
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> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 09:55:47 +0000
> Subject: [Talk-GB] Improving Street-Level Imagery Capture (was Improving
> the Kartaview app)
> IMHO we're flogging dead horses in this case.
>
> Building something on top of https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio would
> seem to have much more long term promise.
>
> The problems are actually less technical, but more organisational,
> financial and legal.
>
> Hi Simon, all.
>
> I was unaware of the geovisio project, and will try to have a look at it
> today, between meetings; would it be possible to add the link to this
> ticket, to potentially increase readership/ awareness?
>
> https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188
>
> WRT 'flogging a dead horse', I completely agree and was trying to be
> diplomatic. I think if feelings are strong enough, this subject can move
> forward, but if not, I can hold my hand up and say that I tried.
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> I'm not sure how many people subscribe to this group, but if you have any
> thoughts on this matter, can you please express them.
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> Many thanks,
>
> Chris.
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> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Nick Whitelegg <nick.whitelegg at solent.ac.uk>
> To: Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>, "talk-gb at openstreetmap.org" <
> talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>, Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> Cc:
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> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2023 10:39:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Improving the Kartaview app.
>
> I would agree there.
>
> I have on and off been developing the OpenTrailView project (
> opentrailview.org) - though it is very much a free-time, hobbyist project.
>
> A couple of years ago myself and a collaborator started developing our own
> project, OpenWanderer.
>
> However last year I discovered GeoVisio, which is seeing active
> development and is clearly the way to go. I have contributed a PR to this
> to improve the modularity and allow it to be more easily integrated into
> third-party apps, which has a time frame of release 1.6.0 attached to it.
>
> Kartaview is not fully open source, even the web application. It appears
> to me that the front end is open source, but the back end is not.
>
> By contrast GeoVisio is an 100% open source project, and really we should
> be going with something which adopts an open-source ethos, is in active
> development, and accepts contributions.
>
> Nick
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Simon Poole <simon at poole.ch>
> *Sent:* 17 February 2023 07:06
> *To:* talk-gb at openstreetmap.org <talk-gb at openstreetmap.org>; Philip
> Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Improving the Kartaview app.
>
> IMHO we're flogging dead horses in this case.
>
> Building something on top of https://gitlab.com/geovisio/geovisio
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgitlab.com%2Fgeovisio%2Fgeovisio&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408463613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=I1vNdMV5nyhSD%2F6nd2jUnhYGcqeL4bgKshhFbd4w4kM%3D&reserved=0> would
> seem to have much more long term promise.
>
> The problems are actually less technical, but more organisational,
> financial and legal.
>
> Am 14. Februar 2023 14:06:18 MEZ schrieb Philip Barnes <
> phil at trigpoint.me.uk>:
> >Hi Chris
> >I regularly contribute to mapillary and have once or twice managed to
> contribute to kartaview.
> >
> >I am not a fan of apps for a number of reasons, the principal one is
> having to stick my phone to the windscreen. My phone in its mount is below
> the windscreen.
> >
> >I have not tried the Kartaview app but in the early days of contributing
> to mapillary via the app found.
> >1. It stopped after an hour.
> >2. It would not work in the background, preventing the use of navigation
> apps. Hence I was unable to record trips requiring navigation. I was unable
> to record much of our road trips to France.
> >
> >I now use a dashcam, from which I then process the videos into a series
> of geo-tagged images, ensuring that I only upload those with a minimum of
> 5m movement.
> >
> >My intention has always been to upload my images to both mapillary and
> kartaview. I also keep the videos and images ready for the next thing that
> comes along.
> >
> >Uploading these images to mapillary is easy, they provide a simple
> application that I just need to point at the folder containing the images.
> >
> >Unfortunately kartaview make it much harder.
> >1. Anything other than phoneapps is missing from the homepage, or it is
> >very well hidden.
> >2. Scripts to exist on github
> > ( https://github.com/kartaview/upload-scripts
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fupload-scripts&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=tjo6ESXmk3gkEGXRVrfroSdkEi%2F3VT98wMgIiJCWtCg%3D&reserved=0> ),
> but I have found them
> >difficult to use.  They need to be much simpler, such as
> >
> >
> >
> >Phil (trigpoint)
> >
> >On 14 February 2023 10:47:35 GMT, Chris Andrew <cjhandrew at gmail.com>
> >wrote:
> >> Hi, all.
> >>
> >> Some of you may be aware of the Kartaview [0] Android app. This has
> >> previously been known as OpenStreetCam and OpenStreetView.
> >>
> >> In the fairly recent past, Android users who wanted to record street-
> >> level imagery, had two main choices; Mapillary and Kartaview. Some
> >> time ago, Mapillary was acquired by Facebook, so many users jumped
> >> ship to Kartaview.
> >>
> >> Whilst Kartaview does function, some users feel that it and the
> >> community surrounding it, have been abandoned, and the Open Source
> >> code is not being released on GitHub. To try to draw a line in the
> >> sand, and to work out what is good and bad, I have raised an issue on
> >> GitHub.
> >>
> >> https://github.com/kartaview/android/issues/188
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fkartaview%2Fandroid%2Fissues%2F188&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=AmCNj6msW4PgQBjeGJnCUcIevzkSk2VKdDCUDZCZC10%3D&reserved=0>
> >>
> >> My intention is to discuss what the mapping community want as a
> >> minimal viable product (MVP), in order to add to the information
> >> sources available to mappers. Some offline discussion has taken place
> >> regarding forking the code and concentrating on OSM needs, but if we
> >> can clarify what we want and need, then Kartaview can work with the
> >> community to getting things back on track (pun intended).
> >>
> >> It's always good to discuss matters in this list, but if the
> >> membership can add any thoughts to the GitHub 'ticket', then that
> >> would be really helpful.
> >>
> >> [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KartaView
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKartaView&data=05%7C01%7Cnick.whitelegg%40solent.ac.uk%7C165f8bcca62447e6351208db10b64cb2%7Cd684e4cd491a4577bf33546478d72e3c%7C0%7C0%7C638122147408619854%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1aBlXD2ZACvvZhUZ709Jx7bjG%2BCC4oTMdZN9yJFSuHk%3D&reserved=0>
> >>
> >> Thanks, all.
> >>
> >> Chris
> >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chris_debian
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> >>
> >
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