<div dir="ltr">Yes - 

step_count is also very useful<div><br></div><div>Jon</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 17:21, Michael Collinson <<a href="mailto:mike@ayeltd.biz">mike@ayeltd.biz</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    FYI, here's the schema I personally use in Sweden, where heavy use
    is made of ramped staircases, though not thankfully on major cycle
    routes. My objective is to allow routers to intelligently route for
    both sport/club/large group riding and happy meandering or commute:<br>
    <br>
    bicycle=yes only on very shallow low incline steps where it is is
    safe and practical to cycle an ordinary bike - not common but does
    happen. Sometimes on shallow slopes a gravelled or informal path to
    one side also exists.<br>
    <br>
    where there is a ramp:<br>
    ramp=yes<br>
    bicycle=dismount   (here I am tagging on practicality rather than
    legalities, Sweden is much more relaxed than UK)<br>
    ramp:stroller=yes   where it is a double ramp, (a forgotten
    transport demographic)<br>
    <br>
    on short or low-incline flights of steps where an alternate route
    would be much longer:<br>
    bicycle=carry (informal/experimental) <br>
    <br>
    I also strongly encourage step_count=x as that gives a bicycle
    router more quantitative input on whether to route or avoid.<br>
    <br>
    And lastly from unnerving Spanish experience, some sort of hazard
    tagging at the top of steps where a formal cycle route plunges down
    a steep flight of steps around a corner!<br>
    <br>
    Mike<br>
    <br>
    <div>On 2020-12-14 17:34, Jon Pennycook
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">resending as I think I sent it from the wrong email
        address.
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        <div>However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are tagged as
          hgv=discouraged, not as hgv=yes despite there being a legal
          right of way for HGVs (sometimes, similar signs are shown for
          all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) - see "discouraged" at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation</a>
          <div><br>
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          <div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions</a> says
            bicycle=dismount should be used for '<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">signs
              saying "Cyclists dismount"'.</span><br>
            <div><br>
              <div dir="auto">Any sensible router should know that most
                bicycles ought to dismount for most steps in the same
                way they might suggest getting off and walking on a
                short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may
                override the built-in default (I think it does for
                CycleStreets). </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
              <div dir="auto">I would suggest not having a bicycle tag
                at all on steps in preference to bicycle=yes on steps.
                Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though.   </div>
              <div dir="auto"><br>
              </div>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div>Jon</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 15:31,
          Jon Pennycook <<a href="mailto:jon.pennycook@gmail.com" target="_blank">jon.pennycook@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">However, blue advisory signs about HGVs are
            tagged as hgv=discouraged, not as hgv=yes despite there
            being a legal right of way for HGVs (sometimes, similar
            signs are shown for all vehicles, eg on fords or ORPAs) -
            see "discouraged" at <a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access#Land-based_transportation</a>
            <div><br>
            </div>
            <div><a href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions" target="_blank">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Bicycle_Restrictions</a>
              says bicycle=dismount should be used for '<span style="color:rgb(32,33,34);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.3px;background-color:rgb(249,249,249)">signs
                saying "Cyclists dismount"'.</span><br>
              <div><br>
                <div dir="auto">Any sensible router should know that
                  most bicycles ought to dismount for most steps in the
                  same way they might suggest getting off and walking on
                  a short footway. Specifying bicycle=yes on steps may
                  override the built-in default (I think it does for
                  CycleStreets). </div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
                <div dir="auto">I would suggest not having a bicycle tag
                  at all on steps in preference to bicycle=yes on steps.
                  Ramp:bicycle=yes/no is a useful tag though.   </div>
                <div dir="auto"><br>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div>Jon</div>
          </div>
          <br>
          <div class="gmail_quote">
            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at
              11:04, Simon Still <<a href="mailto:simon.still@gmail.com" target="_blank">simon.still@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                    <div>On 13 Dec 2020, at 19:18, Edward Catmur via
                      Talk-GB <<a href="mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org" target="_blank">talk-gb@openstreetmap.org</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                      <div dir="auto">
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, 13
                              Dec 2020, 19:14 David Woolley, <<a href="mailto:forums@david-woolley.me.uk" target="_blank">forums@david-woolley.me.uk</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
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                            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On
                              13/12/2020 19:05, Edward Catmur via
                              Talk-GB wrote:<br>
                              > Also, the steps should have
                              bicycle=dismount, not =yes. This will
                              allow <br>
                              > people who can't dismount to go
                              around by the road.<br>
                              <br>
                              Only if it is illegal to try to cycle up
                              and down the steps.  Otherwise <br>
                              it is the duty of the renderer (router) to
                              infer that this will be <br>
                              necessary because of the steps.<br>
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                        <div dir="auto">The sign visible on Mapillary
                          says (white on blue) "Steps ahead cyclists
                          dismount". That seems pretty clear to me. </div>
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                <div>White on Blue ‘cyclists dismount’ signs are only
                  advisory.  It may be foolish to cycle down (or up) the
                  steps but it’s not illegal.</div>
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