[Talk-ht] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health Facilities Master List]]
Karl Guggisberg
karl.guggisberg at guggis.ch
Tue Feb 2 11:03:20 GMT 2010
Hi,
here's another OSM file generated from the Health Facilities Master list
http://www.guggis.ch/haiti/HaitiHealthFacilities_Master.osm
It includes more attributes than the list posted earlier. **Do not
import this file automatically, though**. We should first agree on the
set of OSM tags to be used and how the attributes in the master list are
mapped onto them.
What is the status of
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
in particular in comparision with
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Draft_Ontology_for_healthcare_facilities
Which of the two tagging schemes is more stable?
Regards
Karl
Am 02.02.2010 11:05, schrieb nicolas chavent:
> Jean Guilhem and all.
>
> Just got back on-line: all the people who worked on the Health
> Facility themes want this thematic layer in osm as compehrensive in
> the most timely manner both:
> - (i) in terms of coverage of geo features: this is addressed by the
> data conflation work Kate Chapman and others including Sahan, US
> Health Govt, WHO and WHO-PAHO were involved in and which lead to this
> release by David.
> Kate was working on a conflation of this superset with OSM and I think
> we have to wait on her updating us on the status of the work to act
> collectively in an efficient manner. She'll be up soon (living in US
> Est Time).
> - (ii) in terms of semantic interoperability: this is being addressed
> through the data modeling and coordination work I an running on this
> Health object with Kate Chapman, David Smith, Andrew Turner, WHO
> experts and Emergency coordinators, GIS Coordinators from GIS-NGOs
> deployed on the ground. I'll be integrating this last set of
> attributes elements from PAHO to the data model and issue a new
> version available on the wiki at
> URL
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>
> This has to be seen as the formulation of field requirements for
> health facility geodata management in the perspective of OSM being
> closely tied to this new phase of the humanitarian response with more
> contents generated and shared from on the ground experts.
> Sahana through the portal shared by David allows for online data entry
> by Field Health practitioners.
> Kate ensured a way to refresh OSM attributes with this field
> contributed contents.
> On top of that WHO and PAHO are considering using directly OSM Editors
> to manage this data and relay on OSM DB for this operation at the
> condition of relying on interoperable HFacs tags.
> This is not small stuff and to allow this to happen again shortly,
> let's wait for Kate to give us a status of her work and once the
> attributes contents are on the wiki let's look at our tagging for this
> Health Fac layer which should not be too difficult since the OSM
> MapFeatures coverage of Health Care-related objects is limited.
> URL
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dhospital
>
> Hope this helps
> Best
> N
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com
> <mailto:jgc at arkemie.com>> wrote:
>
> Nicolas,
>
> Can't we rely on healthC_ID for later incorporation of other tags
> (which are mostly empty for now) ?
>
>
> Isn't it a kind of emergency in itself to have the points, with
> precise location, name, and unambiguous ID in the OSM data base ?
> For use on the ground ?
>
>
> "Any groups tracking health facilities should make sure to
> incorporate this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging
> of data between groups."
>
> Regards,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
> -------- Message original --------
> Sujet : Re: [Talk-ht] [Fwd: [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health
> Facilities Master List]
> Date : Tue, 2 Feb 2010 09:33:09 +0100
> De : nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> <mailto:nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> Pour : Talk-ht at openstreetmap.org <mailto:Talk-ht at openstreetmap.org>
> Copie à :
>
> Jean-Guilhem Cailton <jgc at arkemie.com> <mailto:jgc at arkemie.com>
> Références : <4B67DF87.1000707 at arkemie.com>
> <mailto:4B67DF87.1000707 at arkemie.com>
>
>
>
> Hi there
>
> Thanks Jean Guilhem for forwarding this post on this fundamental
> asset, before embarking into any bulk upload and exposing
> ourselves to double risk of duplication and data losses , we shall
> hear back from Kate Chapman who had been involved in the work of
> the group making this resource available and on conflating it with
> the OSM data base.
>
> We shall also look at the semantic aspect of this conflation work
> and make sure the tags we will be setting for the HFacs
> description besides the Unifying Unique ID set by the Ministère de
> la Santé Publique et de la Population (MSPP) are interoperable
> with the ones used in the World Health Organization (Geneva) and
> PAHO (Pan American World Health Organization).
> Since both organizations are envisaging to use the osm platform to
> manage this Health Facility layer at the condition of relying on
> interoperable tags.
>
> I'll be reverting to the group soon with the "final" list of
> proposed values, a first unfortunately incomplete set is readable
> on the HT wiki
> URL
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags#Humanitarian_Data_Model_1.6_.28these_will_be_mapped_to_OSM_tagging.29
>
> Later then
> Best to all
> N.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> <jgc at arkemie.com <mailto:jgc at arkemie.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ?
> (At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)
>
> I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might
> already be present in OSM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
> (knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))
> (jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)
>
>
> -------- Message original --------
> Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health Facilities Master List
> Date : Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:02:43 -0600
> De : David William Bitner <bitner at dbspatial.com>
> <mailto:bitner at dbspatial.com>
> Répondre à : crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:crisismappers at googlegroups.com>
> Pour : crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:crisismappers at googlegroups.com>
>
>
>
> The Haiti Health Facilities master list has now been made
> publicly available at
> http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/.
> This represents a combination of many efforts over the past
> two weeks.
>
> Of particular note is the unique identifier HealthC_ID which
> is based on the Ministère de la Santé Publique et de la
> Population (MSPP) of Haiti identifiers expanded to allow for
> temporary and transient health facilities. Any groups
> tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate
> this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data
> between groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being
> maintained by WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting
> corrections and additions to keep the dataset up to date.
>
> David
> Sahana Software Foundation
>
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> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton
> <jgc at arkemie.com <mailto:jgc at arkemie.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Could someone help automatically importing this list into OSM ?
> (At least X, Y, name, healthC_ID, for 1267 points)
>
> I could help to do some cleaning up with the points that might
> already be present in OSM.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
> (knowing JOSM, but no automatic import tool (yet ?))
> (jgc on irc #osm, #flossk)
>
>
> -------- Message original --------
> Sujet : [CrisisMappers] Haiti Health Facilities Master List
> Date : Mon, 1 Feb 2010 22:02:43 -0600
> De : David William Bitner <bitner at dbspatial.com>
> <mailto:bitner at dbspatial.com>
> Répondre à : crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:crisismappers at googlegroups.com>
> Pour : crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> <mailto:crisismappers at googlegroups.com>
>
>
>
> The Haiti Health Facilities master list has now been made
> publicly available at
> http://sites.google.com/a/netspective.org/haiti-health-facilities/.
> This represents a combination of many efforts over the past
> two weeks.
>
> Of particular note is the unique identifier HealthC_ID which
> is based on the Ministère de la Santé Publique et de la
> Population (MSPP) of Haiti identifiers expanded to allow for
> temporary and transient health facilities. Any groups
> tracking health facilities should make sure to incorporate
> this identifier to enable unambiguous sharing/merging of data
> between groups. This dataset is owned by the MSPP and is being
> maintained by WHO/PAHO and the website allows for submitting
> corrections and additions to keep the dataset up to date.
>
> David
> Sahana Software Foundation
>
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