[Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP database

Sun Feb 7 07:52:58 GMT 2010

Hi

Firstly, I'd be really grateful if you could expand your abbreviations,
unless they are already well known in the OSM community. Unlike Crisis
Mappers, I suspect this list includes many "ordinary OSMers" (like me)
who are not experienced in crisis mapping, and would just like to know
where they can lend a hand, and complement the work of the more hardcore
crisis mappers. Having Googled "IDP", it looks like the most likely
meaning in this context is "Internally Displaced Person" (internal
refugee).

If that is the correct meaning, please could you clarify exactly how you
are proposing OSM becomes involved in an IDP database. Are you simply
proposing adding tags to allow such a database to be linked easily to
OSM, or are you proposing actually adding details of IDPs to OSM? If it
is the latter, I have some concerns, but I don't want to waste anyone's
time articulating them, if this is not what you are proposing. 

Apologies to all if I am the only one who is not clear on what is being
proposed.

Best wishes

David (davespod)

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> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 23:42:52 +0100
> From: nicolas chavent <nicolas.chavent at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of
> 	Haiti -	IDP database
> To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> Cc: thomas.kemper at jrc.ec.europa.eu, david.hagan at sagehagan.com,
> 	alberto.lizzi at undp.org, daniele.ehrlich at jrc.it,
> 	daniele.ehrlich at jrc.ec.europa.eu, Rashid.Kashif at wfp.org,	OSM-Haiti
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> Hi all-
> 
> To tackle the need of IDPs data harmonization at best, it might be worthy
> to
> apply the approach that had been undertaken by the mapping community on
> the
> Health Facility object and if found workable use it for other theme of
> relevance for this Haiti crisis.
> 
> These were the steps either already taken or being worked on with medical
> facilities
> 1. data gathering: several efforts run in parallel within different
> groups
> and the Sahana-lead geo-locating exercise based on a google spreadsheet.
> 2. Identification of the humanitarian custodian and authority in this
> realm:
> Pan-American Health Organization (PAHO).
> 3 . Definition of minimal principle of governance:
> ID management: PAHO responsible of the management of the Unified Unique
> ID
> (UUID) of the Master HealthFacility Database that all responders agree to
> follow;
> PCodes and WHO spatial signature elements: UNOCHA-PCODEs and WHO Spatial
> Signature elements (Country, Location, Admin levels, StreetName, 
> Addresses,
> X/Y) recommended as good practices to follow.
> Data model: PAHO structure recommended as good practice.
> 4. Coordination and implementation of data sharing mechanisms:
> Based on the above, meeting and working sessions involving all parties
> took
> place under PAHO oversight leading to data base conflation work, data
> management mechanisms set up and associated support tools design and
> implementation to allow a coordinated data sharing.
> 
> Once completed the inventory of the IDPs datasets, next will be the
> governance issue with the practical immediate goal of identifying the
> custodian (IOM) for managing this UUID which is the cornerstone of any
> future sharing and its next steps.
> 
> Since semantic interoperability will come close as well in terms of data
> sharing enablers, I'd be happy to hear from the group about access to the
> established data model(s) for IDPs ruling in Haiti now, since we are
> engaged
> within OSM in the building of a set of interoperable tags on this topics.
> A first data modeling work has been conducted in coordination with
> MapAction
> (Andy Smith) building from assessment materials used by on-the ground
> mapaction experts operating as de facto Information Management Officers
> for
> the EmergencyShelter Cluster. Materials exposed as html at the following
> URL
> http://brainoff.com/nchavent/01_HumanitarianDataModel/HDM_InternallyDisplacedPersons/HumanitarianDataModel_IDPs_HOT_v2.0_.mm.html
> 
> Best
> N
> 
> 
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Carl Taylor <cwtaylor at usouthal.edu>
> wrote:
> 
> > Thomas -Your point is well made. My first suggestion is dont let perfect be
> > the enemy of good. If you get the general requirements right and focus on
> > large clusters or small camps that collectively for distribution needs can
> > be managed like large clusters perhaps that is helpful. I am going back
> > through this thread with the question of what is it the responders on the
> > ground need or are trying to accomplish as the output of this effort.
> > Also my gut sense is that unlike Darfur this population is migratory and
> > will move on rumors of jobs, food, location of families or better living
> > conditions such as is occuring in the outmigration from PaP to the rural
> > areas. So good data today may not be tomorrow until a better housing
> > solution is organized.
> > all the best
> > carl
> >
> > >>> "Thomas Kemper" <thomas.kemper at jrc.ec.europa.eu> 02/06/10 3:38 PM >>>
> > Dear Patrick,
> >
> >
> >
> > Our approach to the enumeration of dwellings requires knowledge of the
> > extend of the camps - we developed it for large camps in Darfur, which are
> > characterised by a rather homogeneous structure. Therefore it is very
> > difficult (if not impossible) to apply this approach to the situation in
> > Haiti with IDP's located in small groups of tents, sheets, etc.
> >
> > However, I will discuss this with the colleagues next week again - the only
> > option I see is to do some kind of stratified sampling and statistical
> > extrapolation using the KML provided by OCHA as a basis.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: crisismappers at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > crisismappers at googlegroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Patrick Meier
> > Sent: 06 February 2010 22:17
> > To: crisismappers
> > Cc: david.hagan; alberto.lizzi; EHRLICH (JRC); Daniele Ehrlich; Thomas
> > Kemper; Rashid Kashif
> > Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP
> > database
> >
> >
> >
> > + Daniele Ehrlich + Thomas Kemper + Rashid Kashif
> >
> >
> > Thanks everyone, would be great to add a few IOM colleagues to this email
> > thread. Thanks also to PDC and HIU for their replies and data. Are there
> > any
> > other IDP population datasets available?
> >
> >
> > Hi Daniele (JRC),
> >
> > Is there any way to leverage JRC's expertise in automated estimations of
> > refugee populations using VHR satellite imagery to at least start getting
> > some sense of relative magnitude? I'm referring to this earlier JRC
> > project:
> >
> >
> > http://isferea.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Activities/ProjectPortfolio/Pages/Dwellingen
> > umeration.aspx
> >
> >
> > Hi Rashid (WFP),
> >
> > We had gotten an excel file from you two weeks ago with 300+ IDP camps that
> > needed to be geo-located. What's the latest on this excel file? Can we have
> > an updated version?
> >
> > All the best,
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Lisa Sheehe-Hilmi <nadyah at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I did contact Christopher Gascon, former head of IOM in Sri Lanka, (now in
> > Haiti) as IOM had an amazing software/data registration for the hundreds of
> > thousands in IDP camps in Sri Lanka post-tsunami. Instead of duplication,
> > if
> > it was available and appropriate, possibly adaptable, etc. They have the
> > experience with this, so it would be appropriate they would take the lead.
> > I believe he is looking into it.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> > Lisa
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  Lisa M. Hilmi
> >
> >
> > 201-233-1473
> >
> > nadyah at hotmail.com
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:03:19 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP
> > database
> > > From: j.valuch at gmail.com
> > > To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> > > CC: david.hagan at sagehagan.com; alberto.lizzi at undp.org
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I would say that definitely IOM should be involved. It is a big player
> > > with enough capacity, experience and resources to coordinate such
> > > process (both on INGO and governmental level). Actually, they already
> > > expressed some interest in having a mapping tool that would help them
> > > to handle the situation, but so far it is just this initial
> > > information I have. Anyway, once there are some more comprehensive
> > > data we can provide, it could be introduced to them and consequently
> > > used as a starter for further cooperation (together with relevant
> > > governmental body).
> > > Jaro
> > >
> > > On 2/5/10, jerri husch <jerrihusch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Dear all contributing to this thread....
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the conversation and insights... This is a really a
> > > > fundamental and important question---and signifies a shift in data
> > gathering
> > > > priorities....and a good sign that the "powers that be" are asking for
> > help
> > > > with coordination...atleast there is a request to coordinate--vs. the
> > "we
> > > > can do it ourselves" attitude of many crisis situations. Now we need to
> > see
> > > > what the follow through is--and if there will indeed be coordination
> > both
> > > > within and between the various sectors working in Haiti..
> > > >
> > > > If the IDP locations can begin to be clearly mapped and other data sets
> > > > included, we will be able to track the evolution of the actions
> > associated
> > > > with policy---or lack of policy--that is accepted by all the key actors
> > > > seeking to create a stable base to work from as decisions continue to
> > be
> > > > made that will define the future of Haiti.
> > > >
> > > > The call for coordination around the volatile issue of IDP is an
> > important
> > > > first step. Now the real question is "how to coordinate" all of this
> > > > data-----yet another question of data standardization codes and how to
> > > > create the systems capable of working with the evolving data sets and
> > > > rapidly changing social context.
> > > >
> > > > Jer
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM, John Livengood <jlivengood at pdc.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The emergency shelter cluster has released a kmz of IDP locations.
> > Those
> > > >> locations verified have attributes such as sanitation / water source /
> > > >> population. The kmz can be downloaded from
> > > >>
> >
> > http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispForm.aspx?
> > ID=82<http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispForm.aspx?%0AID=82>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I suspect it will be another week or so before we see which shelter
> > sites
> > > >> will become the primary IDP locations. Initially the goal was to
> > relocate
> > > >> people to formal shelter sites but that seems to have changed. The
> > > >> shelter
> > > >> and NFI cluster has released a few sites that are schedule for
> > > >> improvement.
> > > >> Mainly in Delmas and the golf course. There are some coordinates
> > > >> associated
> > > >> with the spread sheet which can be found at
> > > >> www.shelterhaiti.org<http://groups.google.com/group/shelterhaiti2010/
> > >.
> > > >> I've attached the latest version which I will begin to map next week
> > if
> > I
> > > >> don't see additional updates by Monday.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> v/r,
> > > >>
> > > >> John
> > > >>
> > > >> Pacific Disaster Center
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> *From:* crisismappers at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> > > >> crisismappers at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Meier
> > > >> (CrisisMappers)
> > > >> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 5:34 AM
> > > >> *To:* crisismappers
> > > >> *Subject:* [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP
> > > >> database
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Dear All,
> > > >>
> > > >> Our colleagues at Google have kindly informed the GoH about the work
> > of
> > > >> the
> > > >> CrisisMappers Group in Haiti, which is why I just received this
> > request
> > > >> from
> > > >> the GoH:
> > > >>
> > > >> The latest OCHA sitrep (#17) states about camp coordination and
> > management
> > > >> that "*a major gap is the lack of a common registration system for
> > > >> displaced people*".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> I am sure you have powerful resources on the ground here in Haiti. I
> > have
> > > >> people from various groups (IDP sites, neighborhood associations,
> > local
> > > >> government and municipalities as well as the Bureau of Civil
> > Protection)
> > > >> all
> > > >> attempting to record data involving the IDP populations. There are two
> > > >> different Haitian databases springing up with this data and I am sure
> > that
> > > >> you are collecting pieces of the same information. How can we
> > collaborate
> > > >> in
> > > >> order to put some order in the chaos?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Could you please reply to this email thread with any links/attachments
> > to
> > > >> IDP data that you may have. I will compile/merge them and send the
> > data
> > to
> > > >> the GoH and cc all contributors.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best wishes,
> > > >>
> > > >> Patrick
> > > >>
> > > >> ----
> > > >> Director of Crisis Mapping
> > > >> and Strategic Partnerships
> > > >> http://www.Ushahidi.com
> > > >>
> > > >> Professional Blogger
> > > >> http://www.iRevolution.net < --- blog
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