[Talk-ht] [CrisisMappers] Re: Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP database

[Mikel Maron]

Shadrock

That number doesn't sound right for me, doesn't match the number of visible campsites at all in OSM.
So I suspect something is falling through the cracks in the process to create the Shapefile
 ... I've added OSM Haiti list, and also Frederik Ramm, maintainer of the GeoFabrik extracts, to this thread.

The Humanitarian Data Model, providing inter-operable tags in core themes, is still in the design phase.

Once the model is set, we'll be implementing the model in editing and ETL tools.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Tags/Humanitarian_Data_Model#Internally_Displaced_People_.28IDPs.29_camp_site

As for cooperation with IOM or whatever custodian develops for IDP camps, OSM definitely wants to be as
widely useful as possible. In my opinion, the crowd has lots to add to this, and other themes, and the
way forward to start is manually synchronizing the existing data, before looking at smoother interoperability
in the future.

Best
Mikel

== Mikel Maron ==
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Haiti




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From: Shadrock <shadrock.roberts at gmail.com>
To: CrisisMappers <crisismappers at googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sun, February 7, 2010 11:26:25 PM
Subject: [CrisisMappers] Re: Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP  database

Hello All,

Comparing Parallel Efforts:
UNOSAT .kmz (Jan. 12: http://unosat.web.cern.ch/unosat/kml/UNOSAT-EQ-2010-000009-HTI.kmz)
lists roughly 600 possible IDP points.
OCHA shelters cluster .kmz (Feb. :http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/
Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispForm.aspx?ID=82) lists roughly 170
confirmed locations and more than 200 unconfirmed.
OSM data via Fabrik shapefile (Feb. 7: http://labs.geofabrik.de/haiti/)
shows 38 points labeled with variations of “camp” tag.

There is some overlap, but also a lot of disparity in the .kmz files
and there are several examples of one “camp” having several points
within it, for both files. Only 38 points in OSM? I’m left with the
impression that there are, surely, more…

Questions:
1.) What’s the status of interoperable tags? Nicolas mentioned that
this is in process; should OSMers continue to use the current system?
2.) Should products identify the method (remote sensing, GPS) by which
IDP points were established to better compare them?
3.) Does the Fabrik shapefile include all of the data currently
displayed in OSM and, if so, would it be helpful/appropriate to
collate the above mentioned files into OMS and make the appropriate
additions/edits? I have a group of 15 students working on trying to
sort out IDP locations in OSM; should OSMers suspend IDP mapping until
there is an authoritative (IOM) IDP dataset inventory or product?
4.) Is there any plan to make imagery available for the southern part
of Haiti and the DR border? I’ve had requests for IDP identification
in these areas but acquisition seems to be centered around PaP.

POPULATION ESTIMATES:
As Thomas Kemper mentioned, the distribution of camps makes using
areal estimation difficult. Other methods, that use dwelling unit
extraction with a predetermined occupancy rate, are equally stymied
since camps around PaP are not composed of discreet units but a
contiguous patchwork of fabric and tarps. Would it be possible to have
a ground crew sample some camps to determine an average number of
persons per area (e.g. sq. meter)? Shape files could then be used to
extrapolate a – very rough – estimate for individual camps. I know
it’s not very elegant, but as Paul Currion once wrote, they’re
estimates. At the very least, camps could be quickly categorized as
small, medium, and large based on some agreed scale (less than 25
tarps, more than 100, etc) and creative heads-up analysis. Again, this
would be pretty rough, but may offer a way to prioritize. Just a
thought...


On Feb 7, 1:54 pm, Jim Malone <jmalone... at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am attempting to develop a hydrologic/floodplain model (s) of the
> PAP and areas west from the WB 15cm LIDAR imagry, however, the data
> made available is Raster only, I need vector or xy&z coordinates to
> develop DEM's that can be used in engineering programs, I do not have
> the capability to convert the raster DEM and SEM files made available,
> could someone help me out.
> I am a Professional Engineer and Professional Land Surveyor with 40
> years of experience and could lend some assistance here if provided
> the data I need.
> Jim Malone
> jmalone... at gmail.com
>
> On 2/6/10, James Wilson <icea... at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thomas et al,
> > Cross-matching this location information with flood plain / hydrology data
> > would be helpful to see from a public health perspective.
> > Jim
>
> > On 2/6/10 1:38 PM, "Thomas Kemper" <thomas..kem... at jrc.ec.europa.eu> wrote:
>
> >> Dear Patrick,
>
> >> Our approach to the enumeration of dwellings requires knowledge of the
> >> extend
> >> of the camps ­ we developed it for large camps in Darfur, which are
> >> characterised by a rather homogeneous structure. Therefore it is very
> >> difficult (if not impossible) to apply this approach to the situation in
> >> Haiti
> >> with IDP¹s located in small groups of tents, sheets, etc.
> >> However, I will discuss this with the colleagues next week again ­ the
> >> only
> >> option I see is to do some kind of stratified sampling and statistical
> >> extrapolation using the KML provided by OCHA as a basis.
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >> Thomas
>
> >> From: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> >> [mailto:crisismappers at googlegroups.com]
> >> On Behalf Of Patrick Meier
> >> Sent: 06 February 2010 22:17
> >> To: crisismappers
> >> Cc: david.hagan; alberto.lizzi; EHRLICH (JRC); Daniele Ehrlich; Thomas
> >> Kemper;
> >> Rashid Kashif
> >> Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP
> >> database
>
> >> + Daniele Ehrlich + Thomas Kemper + Rashid Kashif
>
> >> Thanks everyone, would be great to add a few IOM colleagues to this email
> >> thread. Thanks also to PDC and HIU for their replies and data. Are there
> >> any
> >> other IDP population datasets available?
>
> >> Hi Daniele (JRC),
>
> >> Is there any way to leverage JRC's expertise in automated estimations of
> >> refugee populations using VHR satellite imagery to at least start getting
> >> some
> >> sense of relative magnitude? I'm referring to this earlier JRC project:
>
> >>http://isferea.jrc.ec.europa.eu/Activities/ProjectPortfolio/Pages/Dwe....
> >> eration.aspx
>
> >> Hi Rashid (WFP),
>
> >> We had gotten an excel file from you two weeks ago with 300+ IDP camps
> >> that
> >> needed to be geo-located. What's the latest on this excel file? Can we
> >> have an
> >> updated version?
>
> >> All the best,
> >> Patrick
>
> >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Lisa Sheehe-Hilmi <nad... at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> I did contact Christopher Gascon, former head of IOM in Sri Lanka, (now in
> >> Haiti) as IOM had an amazing software/data registration for the hundreds
> >> of
> >> thousands in IDP camps in Sri Lanka post-tsunami. Instead of duplication,
> >> if
> >> it was available and appropriate, possibly adaptable, etc. They have the
> >> experience with this, so it would be appropriate they would take the lead..
> >>  I
> >> believe he is looking into it.
>
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Lisa
>
> >>  Lisa M. Hilmi
> >> 201-233-1473
>
> >> nad.... at hotmail.com
>
> >>> > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 00:03:19 -0500
> >>> > Subject: Re: [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti - IDP
> >>> database
> >>> > From: j.val... at gmail.com
> >>> > To: crisismappers at googlegroups.com
> >>> > CC: david.ha... at sagehagan.com; alberto.li... at undp.org
>
> >>> > I would say that definitely IOM should be involved. It is a big player
> >>> > with enough capacity, experience and resources to coordinate such
> >>> > process (both on INGO and governmental level). Actually, they already
> >>> > expressed some interest in having a mapping tool that would help them
> >>> > to handle the situation, but so far it is just this initial
> >>> > information I have. Anyway, once there are some more comprehensive
> >>> > data we can provide, it could be introduced to them and consequently
> >>> > used as a starter for further cooperation (together with relevant
> >>> > governmental body).
> >>> > Jaro
>
> >>> > On 2/5/10, jerri husch <jerrihu... at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > > Dear all contributing to this thread....
>
> >>>> > > Thank you for the conversation and insights... This is a really a
> >>>> > > fundamental and important question---and signifies a shift in data
> >>>> gathering
> >>>> > > priorities....and a good sign that the "powers that be" are asking
> >>>> > > for
> >>>> help
> >>>> > > with coordination...atleast there is a request to coordinate--vs.
> >>>> > > the
> > "we
> >>>> > > can do it ourselves" attitude of many crisis situations. Now we need
> >>>> > > to
> > see
> >>>> > > what the follow through is--and if there will indeed be coordination
>
> > both
> >>>> > > within and between the various sectors working in Haiti..
>
> >>>> > > If the IDP locations can begin to be clearly mapped and other data
> >>>> > > sets
> >>>> > > included, we will be able to track the evolution of the actions
> >>>> associated
> >>>> > > with policy---or lack of policy--that is accepted by all the key
> >>>> > > actors
> >>>> > > seeking to create a stable base to work from as decisions continue
> >>>> > > to be
> >>>> > > made that will define the future of Haiti.
>
> >>>> > > The call for coordination around the volatile issue of IDP is an
> >>>> important
> >>>> > > first step. Now the real question is "how to coordinate" all of this
> >>>> > > data-----yet another question of data standardization codes and how
> >>>> > > to
> >>>> > > create the systems capable of working with the evolving data sets
> >>>> > > and
> >>>> > > rapidly changing social context.
>
> >>>> > > Jer
>
> >>>> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 8:37 PM, John Livengood <jliveng... at pdc.org>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> > >> The emergency shelter cluster has released a kmz of IDP locations.
> >>>>> Those
> >>>>> > >> locations verified have attributes such as sanitation / water
> >>>>> > >> source /
> >>>>> > >> population.. The kmz can be downloaded from
>
> >http://oneresponse.info/Disasters/Haiti/publicdocuments/Forms/DispFor...>>>>
> > ?ID=82
>
> >>>>> > >> I suspect it will be another week or so before we see which
> >>>>> > >> shelter
> >>>>> sites
> >>>>> > >> will become the primary IDP locations. Initially the goal was to
> >>>>> relocate
> >>>>> > >> people to formal shelter sites but that seems to have changed. The
> >>>>> > >> shelter
> >>>>> > >> and NFI cluster has released a few sites that are schedule for
> >>>>> > >> improvement.
> >>>>> > >> Mainly in Delmas and the golf course. There are some coordinates
> >>>>> > >> associated
> >>>>> > >> with the spread sheet which can be found at
> >>>>> > >>www.shelterhaiti.org<http://www.shelterhaiti.org>
> >>>>> <http://groups.google.com/group/shelterhaiti2010/>.
> >>>>> > >> I¹ve attached the latest version which I will begin to map next
> >>>>> > >> week
> > if I
> >>>>> > >> don¹t see additional updates by Monday.
>
> >>>>> > >> v/r,
>
> >>>>> > >> John
>
> >>>>> > >> Pacific Disaster Center
>
> >>>>> > >> *From:* crisismappers at googlegroups.com [mailto:
> >>>>> > >> crisismappers at googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Patrick Meier
> >>>>> > >> (CrisisMappers)
> >>>>> > >> *Sent:* Friday, February 05, 2010 5:34 AM
> >>>>> > >> *To:* crisismappers
> >>>>> > >> *Subject:* [CrisisMappers] Important request from Gov of Haiti -
> >>>>> > >> IDP
> >>>>> > >> database
>
> >>>>> > >> Dear All,
>
> >>>>> > >> Our colleagues at Google have kindly informed the GoH about the
> >>>>> > >> work
> > of
> >>>>> > >> the
> >>>>> > >> CrisisMappers Group in Haiti, which is why I just received this
> >>>>> request
> >>>>> > >> from
> >>>>> > >> the GoH:
>
> >>>>> > >> The latest OCHA sitrep (#17) states about camp coordination and
> >>>>> management
> >>>>> > >> that "*a major gap is the lack of a common registration system for
> >>>>> > >> displaced people*".
>
> >>>>> > >> I am sure you have powerful resources on the ground here in Haiti.
> >>>>> > >> I
> > have
> >>>>> > >> people from various groups (IDP sites, neighborhood associations,
>
> > local
> >>>>> > >> government and municipalities as well as the Bureau of Civil
> >>>>> Protection)
> >>>>> > >> all
> >>>>> > >> attempting to record data involving the IDP populations. There are
> >>>>> > >> two
> >>>>> > >> different Haitian databases springing up with this data and I am
> >>>>> > >> sure
> > that
> >>>>> > >> you are collecting pieces of the same information. How can we
> >>>>> collaborate
> >>>>> > >> in
> >>>>> > >> order to put some order in the chaos?
>
> >>>>> > >> Could you please reply to this email thread with any
> >>>>> > >> links/attachments
> > to
> >>>>> > >> IDP data that you may have. I will compile/merge them and send the
> >>>>> data to
> >>>>> > >> the GoH and cc all contributors.
>
> >>>>> > >> Best wishes,
>
> >>>>> > >> Patrick
>
> >>>>> > >> ----
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> >>>>> > >> and Strategic Partnerships
> >>>>> > >>http://www.Ushahidi.com
>
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