[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging holy wells

Kevin Ryan kev.ryan at gmail.com
Sat Sep 13 22:18:37 BST 2008


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2008/9/13 Patrick Casey <pcasey at compuserve.com>

>
> Hi Dermot,
>
> Your arguments convince me, particularly the one about "You don't want to
> navigate that guy to a holy well on a rainy Sunday morning". I'll drop the
> place_of_worship.
>
> Re. the creation of tags, I, as a newbie, am becoming confused here. I
> thought the idea of tags was to create standardised descriptions which
> would
> help renderers assign symbols and position legends on a map. This is
> clearly
> not the case if creation of tags by beginners like me is allowed.
>
> However, when I am new to a field I am a great follower of the principle
> "Theirs not to make reply, Theirs not to reason why, Theirs but to do &
> die"
> (or whatever Tennyson's exact words were) so I'm boilerplating your tags
> below.
>
> Thanks very much for your help. Thanks to it each of my strides is getting
> longer.
>
> Paddy
>
> P.S. I loved the one about the moving statue, had me spluttering my evening
> gin and tonic into my keyboard.
> P.P.S. What does Class 2 mean ?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dermot McNally
> Sent: 13 September 2008 18:35
> To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging holy wells
>
>
>
> 2008/9/13 Patrick Casey <pcasey at compuserve.com>:
>
> > I'd say the wells I am tagging are definitely places of worship. People
> do
> > "the rounds" there with prayers and rosaries and invocations, and masses
> are
> > said there on specific days of the year.
>
> I'd also advise you to steer clear of place_of_worship for this
> purpose. So whereas people may worship at a well, it's not a
> place_of_worship the same way a church is. Firstly, you'll probably
> want to consider what Map Features says about POW:
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Tag:amenity%3Dplace_of_worship
>
> It's intention and its pattern of use has been to tag the structures
> that are the standard places for people to practice whatever religion
> is theirs. So a church is one, or a mosque or temple. a shrine or
> other place of pilgrimage isn't, though some may have a church or
> other such structure onsite.
>
> The fact that precedent considers a christian place_of_worship to be a
> church makes it ill-advised to tag other "holy places" with the same
> tag. Consider that one of the classic uses for such map data is for a
> traveller to help answer the question "where can I find a suitable
> religious service near here?". You don't want to navigate that guy to
> a holy well on a rainy Sunday morning.
>
> On your plans for grottoes, be mindful of the fact that the term is
> possibly too generic for your use. Is any given grotto a religious
> site or a place to see Santa?
>
> To solve both of these problems, here's a half-baked suggestion:
>
> rather than trying to make amenity fit the bill, create a new key,
> religious. Under this key, you can accommodate the kinds of things
> you're describing as follows:
>
> religious:grotto
> religion:christian
> denomination:catholic
>
>
> religious:relic
> name:Holy Stone of Clonrickert
> class:2
>
>
> You can also add this key to existing ones:
>
> historic:monument
> religious:statue
> moving:yes
>
> amenity:well
> religious:holy_well
> ...etc.
>
>
> What do you think?
> Dermot
>
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