[OSM-talk-ie] Tagging holy wells

Kevin Ryan kev.ryan at gmail.com
Sun Sep 14 22:47:26 BST 2008


Hi Paddy,

there are a number of different talk lists.  This is the one thats used for
Ireland.  I can't remember where the links are on the wiki.

Regards,

Kevin.

2008/9/14 Patrick Casey <pcasey at compuserve.com>

>
> Hi Dermot,
>
> << My suggestion is that you post a request for comments to the talk
> list.....  >> Isn't this the talk list here ? Or is there another talk list
> devoted to tags ?
>
> I've posted a suggestion at
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Talk:Creating_a_proposal#suggestions
> .3F but I don't know whether it will produce any results.
>
> Paddy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org
> [mailto:talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dermot McNally
> Sent: 14 September 2008 17:19
> To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging holy wells
>
>
>
> Hi Paddy,
>
> Never having created a proposal myself, I've had a look. The template
> shown inline on the proposal page may make a little more sense if you
> go into edit mode on an existing proposal page. It's still a bit heavy
> in places, though, and even working out what to name it will require
> familiarity with other pages on the OSM wiki that themselves deal with
> keys, values and other elements of the OSM data structure.
>
> I was looking to see if I could create a shell of a page for you to
> work with. I've chosen not to, though, since I hit an obstacle at the
> very beginning, when trying to name the page. You've gone with
> "amenity=holy_well", rather than anything based on my (not considered)
> religion top-level key. It may be that the very first thing that
> happens once you kick off discussion on the talk mailing list is for
> people to quickly decide that it belongs in a category other than
> amenity - if you agree, you'll then end up rebuilding the proposal
> page.
>
> My suggestion is that you post a request for comments to the talk
> list, outlining your suggestion more or less as you did here, probably
> mentioning grottoes, moving statues, holy stones and anything else you
> feel might help drive a usable tagging scheme. Once the idea is
> validated somewhat, it would be a good time to go to the effort of
> creating a proposal page.
>
> Dermot
>
> 2008/9/14 Patrick Casey <pcasey at compuserve.com>:
> >
> > Thanks, Dermot.
> >
> > So the proposal for a holy well will be
> >
> > natural = spring
> > historic = monument
> > amenity = holy_well
> > religion = christian
> > denomination = catholic
> > name = Tobereenatemple
> >
> > Regarding the proposal on Wiki I'm stumped. I've read the "Creating a
> > proposal" page and its sub-pages carefully and have seen the template
> there
> > but I can't understand the template nor how to use it nor how to create a
> > page nor how to create the link that is advised. If there were a form to
> > fill out I could do that but this 'creation of a page' thing is beyond
> me.
> I
> > guess there are some very basic Wiki principles here to which I am not
> yet
> > privy. Maybe I should go to Wiki school or something.
> >
> > Paddy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org
> > [mailto:talk-ie-bounces at openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Dermot McNally
> > Sent: 14 September 2008 13:34
> > To: Discussion of Open Streetmap in Ireland
> > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Tagging holy wells
> >
> >
> >
> > 2008/9/14 Patrick Casey <pcasey at compuserve.com>:
> >>
> >>  Is there some preferred place in the
> >> Wiki or somewhere else in the OSM world where one can post proposed
> > tagging
> >> such as the holy wells so that, if there are no objections, the proposed
> >> Holy Well Tagset gets moved into the main list of tags ? Or would it
> > simply
> >> be best for me to post it on the Ireland wiki under 2. Tagging features
> /
> >> 2.2 Other features ? Where is the best place to put it so that people
> who
> >> are likely to tag holy wells (large community, that) are likely to find
> > it.
> >
> > Your best bet is a proposal on wiki:
> >
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Creating_a_proposal
> >
> > You want things like this to have global reach, so it would be a
> > mistake to stay parochial on it, unless the feature really is one that
> > only exists in Ireland (like maxspeed=60, legal_limit=yes,
> > please_be_advised=yes).
> >
> >> natural = spring
> >> historic = monument
> >
> > Fine
> >
> >> amenity = holy well
> >
> > No, don't put a space in the value. It's legal, just not done.
> >
> >> religion = christian
> >
> > Yup
> >
> >> denomination = Roman Catholic
> >
> > No, on two counts - firstly, lowercase letters are preferred as an aid
> > to memory (OSM is case-sensitive), secondly because 'catholic' is the
> > standard way to designate RC (even it it's technically ambiguous).
> >
> >
> > But you've absolutely got the right idea.
> >
> > Dermot
> >
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