[OSM-talk-ie] Dublin Bus Stops

[Nick Burrett]

I read in the Irish Times maybe 1 week ago that a student from DCU has
created a map of all Dublin transport, including all bus stops. Maybe it is
possible to talk to that person and get them to donate their info? I have no
idea if that includes GPS data for each stop but the general route maps
might be useful.

Sorry I cannot provide the article link at this time.

Nick.

On 7 Sep 2010 19:44, "Paddy" <paddyfitz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Dermot,
> Yeah its a bit of a grey area alright :)
> I have sent a few emails to Dublin Bus networkdirect at dublinbus.ie and
> info at dublinbus.ie but haven't received any reply.
> I have received a positive reply from the Department of Transport thats
why I
> haven't really thought of the licensing issues.
> I could email the Department of Transport again to see where we stand?
>
> I sent this to Transport21info at transport.ie
> Hi,
> I have been working on a Dublin Public Transport Route Planner. I have
> registered the name transportdublin.ie
>
> .
> Powered by neo4j <http://www.neo4j.org/>
> a nosql graph database with spatial features & offers implementations of
> common graph algorithms
> and google maps API v3
> I have just uploaded the project to github and updated the wiki with
screen
> shots and information
>
> http://wiki.github.com/paddydub/TransportDublin/
>
>
>
>
> The graph database is populated with approx 15,000 bus stops and 150 bus
> routes and all timetables for most bus routes extracted from the
> Dublin Bus<http://www.dublinbus.ie/>
>
> website. I will be adding Luas and Dart Lines aswell. I still have a lot
of
> work to do, if would like to help me out or have any suggestions or
> recommendations it would be greatly appreciated.
> Paddy
>
>
> Reply from Transport21info at transport.ie
>
> Hi Paddy
>
> Thanks for informing the Department of your current project work.
>
> For further information about new and emerging public transport
> communication initiatives, that are planned for the Greater Dublin
> Area, please contact the individual public transport agencies listed under
> 'Links' on the Transport 21 website [
> http://www.transport21.ie/Links/Links/Navigation.html
>
> ].
>
> In addition, check out the Transport for Dublin website [
> http://www.transportfordublin.ie/
>
> ] for information about each of the Transport 21 projects planned for the
> Dublin region and to view route maps of each project.
>
> Wishing you every success with your work.
>
> Transport Investment Division
> Department of Transport
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Dermot McNally <dermotm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paddy,
>>
>> Sorry if this seems dismissive, but you must not under any
>> circumstances import these data into OSM. They are derived from a
>> Dublin Bus Database and Dublin Bus have not provided us with any
>> rights to reuse the information under a licence compatible with OSM.
>> It would be very convenient to do so - I for one have invested a lot
>> of effort collecting stop locations, names and reference numbers and
>> obtaining primary knowledge of bus routes.
>>
>> My suggestion if you wish to enable an import into OSM:
>>
>> Approach Dublin Bus and ask them for information on the terms under
>> which they are prepared to allow the use of this stop and route data.
>> I would advise you to avoid mentioning OSM, as we may, as a project,
>> have only one chance to make such an approach, and it would be a shame
>> for them to reply with a quick "no". I am working on some
>> demonstrations of the benefit of OSM for public transport and intend
>> to approach local representatives in order to maximise the chances of
>> a positive response. So please either ask a completely open question
>> about their terms of use or else describe the application you intend
>> to build.
>>
>> A warning, though - if you do outline your intentions, one possibility
>> is that they will tell you not to, assert their database rights and
>> threaten action if you proceed with its use. Think about how you would
>> proceed if this were the reply.
>>
>> Again, if Dublin Bus _do_ go on record that they are happy to consider
>> this stuff to be open data, you'll get plenty of help with an import.
>>
>> Proceed with caution ;)
>> Dermot
>>
>> On 7 September 2010 22:18, Paddy <paddyfitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Guys,
>> > I have been working on building a a neo4j & Google Maps based Public
>> > Transport Route Planner for Dublin,
>> > I'm still working on it I have a github project with a bit more info
at:
>> > http://github.com/paddydub/TransportDublin
>> >
>> > I have extracted a lot of data from the Dublinbus.ie website to do the
>> > routeplanning, I have most Dublin Bus Stop data stored in a json file:
>> > http://github.com/downloads/paddydub/TransportDublin/stops.json
>> >
>> > I don't have much experience with openstreetmap, Any pointers on how I
>> could
>> > import this data to the openstreetmap project?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Paddy
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