[OSM-talk-ie] mapping roads

Sat Mar 15 15:48:21 UTC 2014

Gathering the speed data is more useful for the app. I'd love if we could concentrate on how to map those zones properly. 

Have the tags been agreed 100%. Could we do a little tutorial on how to do it properly as I'm body even sure how to do it correctly. 

Some zones have more than one speed limit too where they enter villages etc and they are important to capture. No point in the app saying 100kph and then you enter a town and no update for speed. If I do it I want it to be close to perfectas possible. 

The 50kph zones in villages are almost impossible to work out as the road types are not documented in Ireland fully. I think they should be marked as residential or something or have explicit speed limits marked for the road. 

To be honest I don't think the Garda will give us a definite answer as it may open a can of worms.  They just might not want to get into it. 

I'll poke them again to get a response. 

Donie

> On 15 Mar 2014, at 15:02, Daniel Cussen <dan at post.com> wrote:
> 
> It would be useful if we got a firm no, before we start re-inventing the wheel.
> Personally I would not need an app. There are loads of OSM apps that
> allow editing on the go. It would be useful to track the number of
> zones entered to see if we are missing any.
> 
>> On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly <donie.kelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Would it be useful if I released an app that allowed you to mark the
>> beginning and end of the zones? I could also gather the speed limit if you
>> drive it at close to the limits?
>> 
>> Could we get the community to help out?
>> 
>> I'm thinking of releasing it for free.  A paid option gets you live camera
>> reports.
>> 
>> I love to get your help so I can do this without risk of breaching
>> copyrights.
>> 
>> Donie
>> 
>> On 14 Mar 2014, at 19:50, Daniel Cussen <dan at post.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> I've just got a response from An Garda that my request has been passed up
>>>> the >chain.
>>>> Fingers crossed.
>>>> Donie
>>> 
>>> Donie Did you ever get an official response from the Gardai regarding
>>> your request to use the data from Gardai.ie speedzones?
>>> 
>>> I am very interested in putting in this data too. If we get the
>>> official NO then we can begin mapping them ourselves and proactively
>>> seeking them out and marking them. I travel on national routes
>>> countrywide quite often so I could start getting the GPS positions of
>>> the signs on each side of the road, if we cannot use the Gardai info.
>>> 
>>> So the first thing should be to get an official respose, and if it is
>>> yes then it should be easy to map the zones
>>> 
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dspeed_camera
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:enforcement
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14/03/2014, Donie Kelly <donie.kelly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Can we add the restricted speed zones? The ones the go safe cameras are
>>>> on?
>>>> Just the speed limits on those stretches?
>>>> 
>>>> I'm working on an app for the speed zones and I'd like to be able to pop
>>>> up
>>>> the speed limits as they are not always signed.
>>>> 
>>>> I can statically scan for updates to release to the app when updates on
>>>> the
>>>> roads are implemented.
>>>> 
>>>> Any objections on using the data for this?
>>>> 
>>>> Donie
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Mar 2014, at 18:27, da fo43 <dafo43 at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All, First
>>>>> time posting on the mailing list but I've spoken individually to a
>>>>> number of you already. There can't be too many roads still to map in
>>>>> Ireland now so I guess the next step would be to improve the quality by
>>>>> filling in road numbers, names, etc. So I'm going to propose a few
>>>>> standards and see what people think. 1.       Map L roads 1000 to 4999
>>>>> (Local Primary) as 'Tertiary' and all other public roads as
>>>>> 'Unclassified'
>>>>> or 'Residential'.
>>>>> I know people have a lot of differing views on this and will admit that
>>>>> some local primary roads seem to have less importance than Local
>>>>> Secondary and Local Tertiary roads but really I think it's better to go
>>>>> with what is designated rather than making judgement calls. On some
>>>>> parts of the map all roads are being set to 'Tertiary' so really I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think the current system works. All other roads are mapped as per
>>>>> designation so I personally don't see why this should be any different.
>>>>> 2.       Labeling roads L1000-9999 with spaces.
>>>>> I see on some parts of the map that roads are being labelled with a
>>>>> space 'L 1234' instead of 'L1234'. I would be in favour of sticking to
>>>>> one standard, and going with the majority in not using a space.
>>>>> 3.       Labeling roads over L9999.
>>>>> I propose the labeling roads listed as L12341 as L1234-1 as
>>>>> this makes it easier to read and work out which branch of
>>>>> primary/secondary road it belongs to. I guess this might not suit
>>>>> everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4.       Non public roads to be displayed as 'Service' or 'Track' only.
>>>>> It's not always obvious if some roads are private (especially some
>>>>> housing estates) but where it is known for certain they are private
>>>>> then
>>>>> I would be in favour of using a 'service' road rather than
>>>>> 'residential' or 'unclassified'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hopefully
>>>>> we can agree on some things and apologies if I have overwritten
>>>>> anyone's work recently, it's certainly not my intention to do so and I
>>>>> will go with whatever the consensus is. Lastly I was planning on making
>>>>> some small updates to the Wiki page, just a general cleanup on removing
>>>>> dead links and adding a sat nav section, if anyone has any objections
>>>>> please let me know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> David
>>>>> 
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