[OSM-talk-ie] Formalising Openstreetmap Ireland into a proper body and becoming an official OSM Chapter

[Dave Corley]

Hi Stephen,

Thanks for your support :)

Just to answer some points you made:

Regarding historical maps, I agree, but there are more sources than the
OSi, e.g. local councils and universities being the 2 major ones.

Regarding the bus stops, I think someone looked at this before. Transport
for Ireland likely have this data and if I recall they were willing to
release it to us but there may have been some issue with the data. I stand
open to correction this of course, but I think that may be why something
like this was not imported. Others on this list may have a better memory of
it.

Dave

On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:24 PM, Stephen Judge <stephenjudge at gmail.com>
wrote:

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> ​rgh, I sent my reply from the wrong email address. Sorry if this goes out
> as a double post.
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Personally I love this idea. I've only been doing some local editing of
> areas I know using the iD OpenStreetMap editor. I found the tradition tools
> like JOSM a bit to much of a learning curve and I don't have the time and
> attention to read all of what's in the wiki to be a good mapper. I'd much
> more welcome some mapping meetups to learn hands on from more experienced
> mappers.
>
> I have recently been thinking about access to historical maps. The OSI has
> good historical maps which have to be out of copyright by now but I don't
> get the impression they are open to collaborating with OSM or giving us
> access to those maps to use as tiles. It's a shame the only historical
> tiles we seem to have of Ireland on OSM comes from a British University.
>
> I have also wanted to contact the likes of Dublin Bus to ask them for the
> GPS locations of all their bus stops so we can map all of them with
> accurate date such as bus stop number and routes served. They have to have
> this GPS data because they are essentially overlaying this data on Google
> Maps on there own website. I'd also like to see the Transport for Ireland
> Journey Planner use our OSM maps rather than their maps, as their maps are
> very low on detail. But in the end I felt these companies would probably
> just ignore such a request from an individual. So an establish OSM Ireland
> organisation would be perfect to act in this regard.
>
> All of the points you mentioned, I agree with and at the least it might be
> worth meeting up either AFK or in IRC/Google Hangouts. I also think there
> are great opportunities to collaborate with the other open data
> organisations in Ireland and with Wikimedia Ireland
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Ireland_Community>.
>
> I am still quit new OSM editing and know nothing about the OSM Ireland
> community so I am very interested to see how this develops.
>
> Regards,
> Stephen Judge <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Stephen%20Judge>
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> > Hi all,
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> > Something I've been thinking about for a while now, is that we should
> look
> > to forming into a proper entity i.e. an official OpenStreetMap Ireland
> > chapter of OSM.
> >
> > A few reasons off the top of my head why I'd like to push ahead with
> this:
> >
> > - We will have representatives who can speak with authority to the press
> if
> > required.
> >
> > - The Open data / Open Government movement has been steadily growing over
> > the last 18-24 months here. Every event I've been to, at some point, I've
> > had to utter the line "well at the moment we are just a group of people
> > editing on OSM, there is no "Openstreetmap Ireland". Given the volume of
> > work and effort that people have put it, its embarrassing to say that
> line.
> >
> > - When we go looking for maps and/or data we are an actual entity. That
> > lends weight to any requests we make. The further we take this in
> relation
> > to what type of a body we are (non-incorporated, incorporated, recognised
> > chapter of OSMF)
> >
> > - Further down  the line, it opens up the possibility of getting funding
> /
> > sponsorship. As it stands right now, companies are unlikely to give any
> > significant kind of donation to us, ever, as they can not write it off
> as a
> > donation because, essentially, we don't exist. I would like to
> >
> > - I would like to see us move up a gear in terms of organisation. What I
> > mean by this is to take it to the next level in terms of meetup's, for
> > example, a weekend meetup over a Sat & Sun in, say, Athlone (its central
> > and is in need of some love mapwise) where a load of us would meetup,
> > survey and map. Prior to going there though, we'd look for a local mapper
> > who can get into schools or colleges with a few posters, get on to the
> > local free paper to do a piece, chat to local radio etc to promote the
> > event.
> >
> > - I would like to see us pushing more in the area of advocacy e.g.
> > advocating for the use of OSM by local govt. and advocating for the
> release
> > of data held by local govt's (if they are using our maps, give us stuff
> to
> > make them better).
> >
> > - Finally, there is no reason, none whatsoever, why we shouldn't be able
> to
> > start organising our own State of the Map for Ireland. We have more than
> > enough going on to fill 1-2 days worth of a conference but a major
> > roadblock to this would be the sponsorship aspect.
> >
> > I've looked into what would be involved, and starting out, there will be
> a
> > body of work to be completed, but its by no means insurmountable.
> >
> > If there is generally positive feedback the next step would be to agree
> how
> > to proceed and what format of an organisation we should be come.
> >
> > I have some thoughts on all of that, but I'll hold off for a few days to
> > see what the thoughts are on this proposal.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave (DaCor)
> >
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